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I have had twin squirrels help in a few tree jobs, they are pretty cool although could have a bit more grunt for lifting.

They have a few Russian Mil-8's (at least I think they are 8's) buzzing around and dropping all manners of fluid constantly which isnt confidence inspiring but you get used to it.
Anywhere they land or hover for a while means grass kill!

A Mig would be a fun toy to have, they were one heck of a suprise when the berlin wall came down, Nato found that they were superior in alot of ways to any aircraft they had.
 
Jimbo,
Just a little Robby for right now. Ironically, most people learn in an R22, but it is so small that it is also one of the most prone to fatal accidents. Because of this, the FAA issued SFAR 73 specifically for the R22, which states that special safety instruction be given for this model. Where as I am starting out with only a fixed wing license and zero helicopter time, I don't have the habits derived from flying bigger helicopters. Many of the accidents that have occured with the R22 have been with people transitioning from 206's, Hugheys and the like because these larger birds have significantly higher power and rotor disc mass. Flying an R22 compared to a big helicopter might be compared to balancing a pencil on your hand versus a yard stick.
My IGE hovers are all over the place right now, but I'm getting better all the time. As to which helicopter I will get next year, I don't know as yet, but I may start out with an R22 to fly my wife and I from the place in Northwood, NH up to the place in Rangeley, ME. At any rate, it's a good excuse to use the chainsaws and Kubota to clear a couple of good landing sites.

Monel,
After watching a couple of videos of the 3D Masters RC freestyle helicopter world championships, I have often wondered if flying the models is in fact more difficult than flying the real thing because there's no kinesthetic sense or pilot perspective in an RC copter. Fully reversible rotor pitch for negative G inverted flight has got to scramble the brain a little. I'm told that most guys use a servo reversing switch, but keeping track of what's going on in freestyle at those speeds boggles my mind. Learning to just fly one of those things must get awfully expensive. My buddy went through at least a dozen tail booms and other associated parts over the course of a month or so before he threw in the towel.

Of course, if I lunch a tail boom on the R22, I probably won't have to worry about buying another one.

-The Limp-Wristed Peltless Pilot Wannabe
 
Yeah the low rotor mass is the biggest problem with the little R22's, the squirrely handling being the other. For my money i would definitley considr the R44; it's much easier to handle and more usefulas well. The resale vale on Robinson is so high anyway that you basically sell it for what you bought it for minus the hours that you use it.

Jimbo

BTW
twin Squirrels are not; they are called "Twinstar" here in the US, the single is called"Astar" both names chosen as alternates to "Ecureil" which is squirrel in French(pronounced eh-KYOO-ree-uh) and always mispronounced here in the states. The single engine Lama actually lifts more, but is way old now, based on the Alouette series with a BIG motor. Sort of like what Bell did with the 214.
 
Milestone number one this morning; I was able to hover the copter in ground effect as well as follow a ground path while having complete control of cyclic, rudder and collective. Both my instructor and I were pleasantly surprised by this as 4 hours to this point is doing pretty well. Of course, walking away from any flight is doing pretty well.
 
Hello Doug, that's all very nice, but since you are the self described, "Limp-Wristed Peltless Pilot Wannabe", does this mean you have no aspirations of becoming a "bush pilot?"
John
 
Re: BeaverGirl

Originally posted by WoodTick007
I didn't know BeaverGirl was peltless......

I can`t speak with authority on that topic, but it was Beavergirl who corrected Gypo and I in a discusion of peltless beaver, informing us that the correct term is "brazilian". I guess that would make Doug a Limp Wristed Brazilian Pilot Wannabe. That sounds kinda weird doesn`t it. :D

Russ
 
So Doug when are you coming up here to give Gypo a ride in your heli.?

Gypo said donot worry about the money part he will pay for everything sense now he is the richest man on AS and why wouldn't he be
 
Hello Ed, Doug will be plotting the course to Brampton airport soon. He only has 3 hrs. left before he solos and then a few more hrs after that to get his commercial.
I advised him that better deals on helicopters are in Calif., so he's picking one up there and stoping at Sacremento airport to pick up Tommy Martin, Art Fales, Dennis Dunn and Ken Cahoon and is threatening to drop them all off at my place.
John
 
How close to the ground is he going to get before he drops them?  And is he going to be twin-rotor qualified?  Some of them boys are shortly portly from what I've seen and he may need more than a single-rotor machine, or at least have the single power ported.
 
Doug , if you can make it all the way from Cali. with those 4 in your heli. without crashing YOU ARE THE MAN
 
Just an update here. I just got back from flying this morning. I now have just about 20 hours, which is what you need legally to solo an R22. If I were learning in some other helicopter, then I'd only need 10 hours to solo as I already have my fixed wing license. Problem is that I haven't flown for the better part of 20 years, so all the stuff I learned back then I've either forgotten or the rules and procedures have changed. I guess that I'll take the last of three written tests needed to solo on Wednesday. Since I fly between four and five hours a week, I really have to catch up on my studies. The physical act of flying the helicopter is the least of my worries at this point. I was able to hover the helicopter, without my inbstructor "rescuing" me every couple of seconds, at just under four hours which, I'm told, is quite good. I now do takeoffs, landings and traffic pattern work all by myself and am starting to get the feel for hover and and power recovery autorotations as well as just starting full down autos.

Soloing and going for the full, carry passengers private helicopter rating are different milestones. I should be ready for my private check ride in late November or early December if I can get some decent weather. At that point, I'll probably just continue right on through for a commercial as 100 of my fixed wing hours count toward that. I have no interest in the next steps, which would be CFI and instrument as I don't have the patience or the time for being a good instructor and any helicopters that I'll ever fly aren't IFR anyway.

Cost is a factor also. $190/hr with an instructor and $165/hr without one. As long as I'm a student, I'm covered under their insurance, but the minute I get my private, I'll have to either get renters insurance at about a grand a year, or get my own copter. Total cost for a private add-on will be in the neighborhood of $10-12K. Cost for a new R22, about $180K, used with low time maybe $130K. Insurance with 200 hours in type would be about $8000/yr; maybe $12000 a year with 100 hours. Total operating costs would be about $100-$125/hr, flying it between 100 and 150 hours a year and including a complete overhaul at 2200 hours, which runs $100K. Main rotor blades need to be replaced at 2200 hours or 12 years, which ever comes first. Cost is $25K.

Needless to say, there many good reasons why only 1% of the population are pilots and only 1% of those fly helicopters. Over the next year, I'll be exploring many options in regard to buying one; if in fact I even do. This is a huge monetary sinkhole to say the least, and not one that I consider casually.

As far as taking passengers, the little R22 can only handle 2, 200 pound people, and that's without full fuel. I most definitely won't be taking any drunk, psychopathic people up for rides either; just too dangerous. One thing I could do is fly the thing across the country. It would take about a week to get to CA and drop off a standard sized suitcase in the woods outside Chico. I figure that if I set the timer for a half an hour that I'd be well beyond EMP range before it went critical. Heck, a puny little fizzle yield of less than a kiloton would clean 90% of the crap out of AS in a matter of microseconds.
 
Doug would it be OK if I pressed the button? I say get it. What's it going to matter in 20 years.

While your at it, filing your suitcases make another one, you can always swing a little south from NH and west of me. That should take care of the other 10%. Good Luck
 
That is a shame Doug , only 400 pounds , well i guess that leaves me out or you weigh 100 pounds and that would leave us 40 pounds for more fuel , never been up in a heli. but was looking forward to it.
Doug it is only money , you cannot take it with you when you go
 
Ed,
If I take yours and Mark's advice and throw in a little of Lambert logic for good measure, maybe I should just bite the bullet and go for a 4 seat R44 that will handle that kind of weight. Let's see, I'll only need 10 hours in it after I get my private. At $450/hr that's only $4500. A bargain. I could probably even find a deal on a new fuel injected one for maybe as little as $350K! What the hell, since John has so much money, maybe I'll hit him up for a paltry $650K and pick up a used Bell 206 Jet Ranger. He already owes me $250K anyway. Of course, in US dollars that's only $27.53, but it's a start.
 
Hey Doug, I heard flying an R22 is like driving a volkswagen, but we can only drive what we can afford.
Get the Bell 206 you cheap plick.
John
 
I wanna hang underneath on my saddle, and climbing rope. I just gotta figure out how not to spin around.
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Dang... how the heck did I miss THIS thread??


Doug, welcome to the realm of rotary-wing aircraft.

Let me know if ya need any help.
 
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