Hello !!!!

[Tree Machine]

Problem tree, there's a problem with that tree. It's a technical mondo. This is just not where you start. You will embarass yourself and do damage. You have no gear. A treeman with no gear is a ..... a man.

You just are not for real. Hobby called you out. You're a troll. We can smell ya from miles. Not this time trolly troll troll.

 

[l2edneck]

edit: Outta bandwidth oops

If you hook that oak............
You need to be shot............
Then put on display...........
On the Mill @ the "NEXT" Mich GTG........
any one agree?

edit:I was merely stating that i see nothing wrong with the tree.No reason to take it down.

 

[treeguy347]

I definitely agree that spikeless is definitely the way to go. Try to get a nice high TIP to give some good maneuverability. This is definitely NOT a beginner tree. I'd cut him some slack though, we all had to start somewhere. How about The Tree Climbers Companion, then maybe some climbs with someone experienced or maybe one of the schools like Arbormaster. This particular tree is just not the place to start.

 

[woodchux]

I'll come get that tree down for ya for 2k, you clean up.

 

[Tree Machine]

2K is about right. Ya know the saying start low and slow? That's when you have Woodchux come down and dismantle for you then you cut it up, and take your time. Low and slow. There are lessons to be learned.

Really, over half of the tree in the photo would be easier to do spikeless.

What do you think TM?

All of it spikeless. Rappel out when you get it limbed-out and fell the trunk. That tree would be a joy to climb, not highly cjhallenging, just big, and the rigging good and technical enough to make it a fair challenge.

The cleanup, if done by hand, will be giganaceous mucho way heavy. Up in the tree you can get gravity to work with you. Once on the ground, gravity is against you, no matter what way you cut it.

 

[hobby climber]

261 views of this thread and only 22 post...

261 views of this thread and only 22 posts in under 2 hours!!!

There are quite a few lurkers out there! What this tell me is that others like watching this guy make an ass out of himself... OR... they are relatively new to climbing and want to read the advise offered here so they can actually learn something.

Since this thread had gone down the toilet, I don't feel bad about steeling it & redirecting it into something positive.

I'll likely start a new thread after i give it some more thought (and some sleep).

This is for the "new to climbing" lurkers out there watching in silence. What will it take to get you guys & galls to start ask questions and posting on this site??? Are you concerned about someone ripping on you if you ask the wrong question, admit you did something wrong or have a different twist on an old practice??? Guys , come on...speak up!

Again, I'll put some more thought into this and get a thread started over the next little while that will deal with questions you lurkers may want answered.

Remember... "A question not asked is knowledge not gained"! HC

 

[Tree Machine]

Hobby's right, definite troll, but we're having fun with it and ....really? 261 views? I didn't think anyone was reading this crap.

Yes, trolls go home. My first tree job, a 20 ton oak over a house. Shurrr. We got your number Problem Tree. We have more respect for you than to let you go on. Not even close to being a reasonable thread.

M' Ba Bye

 

[SRT-Tech]

dang man, i would just prune that tree and use it for tree climbing!!!!

 

[clearance]

There.

You do know that we only spike when the tree is being taken down. On living trees, when pruning no spikes are used. We are tree climbers, not tree spikers.

Ha ha ha hah ha, God I'm gonna choke.....Get some spurs and a scare strap, run up that thing and saw it down, don't let these jokers discourage you.

 

[SmokinDodge]

A question for the pro's. How long would you allow for full removal of that tree? Saying access isn't an issue how long from the first fuel up to the last load leaving with the yard cleaned up?


Problem Tree: I'm just a firewood cutter from Missouri so keep that in mind. HOLY CRAP THAT THING IS HUGE! I have 80 acres full of mature trees and very few is any are that gigantic size most of mine have similar height but not the girth. I admire your gusto and I share it as well, if it can be done I would like to do it myself. But you have to ask how will I pay for the roof when I drop a 900 pound limb through it? When my buddy helping out slices his leg wide open and decides to sue how much can I pay? This might be a great opportunity to hire a pro that would let you work/observe with them.

 

[beowulf343]

Three hours-not a big tree in my book. Taken down silver maples with a half dozen leads bigger than the right lead on this tree. Not a bad drop zone between these houses at the front of the picture. But I've been taking trees this bad or worse down every day for seven years-definitely not a newbie tree!

 

[treeseer]

While you are budgeting expenses for this job, don't forget the cost of two new air conditioners.

(I didnt say i was going to tackle it in one day but eventually i think it would be a great triumph to be able to handle it on my own.)

A triumph of testosterone over common sense, maybe. Next July you'll be cursing global warming. Yall wonder why the earth is heating up? Look no further than this impotent impulse to conquer something. What's that in spidey's sig? Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed. think about that.

What is the problem with that tree, ProblemTree?

O and most of the *Viewers* here are machines mining for data, don't fool yourselves.

 

[Tree Machine]

Ha ha ha hah ha, God I'm gonna choke.....Get some spurs and a scare strap, run up that thing and saw it down, don't let these jokers discourage you.

Heh heh.:greenchainsaw:

 

[Tree Machine]

A question for the pro's. How long would you allow for full removal of that tree? Saying access isn't an issue how long from the first fuel up to the last load leaving with the yard cleaned up?

It all depends on how you do the cleanup. That could take a lot longer than the downing of the tree, especially if you don't have a plan.

 

[treeguy347]

Cleanup would be the worst part of it. Climbing the wide, outstretched trees like this are fun. Bobcat to help toss the wood in a dumptruck and ferry around any sawlogs would be nice.

 

[Sunrise Guy]

If it looks like a troll, posts like a troll, and calls itself Problem Tree----it's a troll! Give me a darn break. That tree is way too big for you buddy, if you are honestly a sincere newbie, which I doubt. Forget it. If you are simply posting here to get advice on how to get the tree down yourself because you're trying to save some major bucks, which seems likely as judged by the content of your posts, just put in some overtime at the factory or the fast food joint you're at or wherever you work now, and then hire a pro to do it right. You're probably looking at around 2.5K to get it down and hauled off, although you might save a bit off that figure depending on the local market you're in.

 

[GlennG]

Problem Tree,

If you really are a noob please set up a video camera to record the whole process. Make sure the two houses are evacuated so no one gets hurt. Then post the carnage on eBaums or the many other "gore" sights. We love that stuff.

Seriously, if you

1 have no tree skills

2 recieved several bids that you think are too high

3 think you can do this tree yourself and save a ton of cash

.....then I think your being very, very, very foolish ( other words come to mind )

Seriously ...... have the tree cabled its an awesome shade tree. To me that tree is the only thing nice about the whole property. I`m blunt yes and I don`t mean to be impolight but I this is my take.

GlennG

 

[squisher]

And I thought I was ambitious. Man you take the cake.
That house looks like it will be real hot without that tree.
Save your money and save a tree.
Funny that line has cost me alot of money by losing jobs when people want me to top their perfectly healthy trees because "they're getting to big".

 

[Tree Machine]

Yea, GlennG, call it like it is.


Agreed, though, do all you can to keep that tree. It's weathered many a storm, a testimonial to its integrity. A cable is good insurance, and tip pruning the overextended reaches, not that's a good tree job- safeguard the house, the owners know something significant has been done, and the climber (NOT YOU) gets to limbwalk out to no man's land and do what we do, careful selectivee pruning to enhance the tree's structure so man and trees can live in harmony without the homeowners getting paranoid every time the wind blows hard.

Or is this the type of folk who wants the tree down because "We have to rake leaves and it drops acorns." Screw them. Leave the tree where it belongs.

 

[treeseer]

Agreed, though, do all you can to keep that tree. It's weathered many a storm, a testimonial to its integrity. A cable is good insurance, and tip pruning the overextended reaches, not that's a good tree job- safeguard the house, the owners know something significant has been done, and the climber (NOT YOU) gets to limbwalk out to no man's land and do what we do, careful selectivee pruning to enhance the tree's structure so man and trees can live in harmony without the homeowners getting paranoid every time the wind blows hard.

Or is this the type of folk who wants the tree down because "We have to rake leaves and it drops acorns." Screw them. Leave the tree where it belongs.

You got it Mr. Clark, sir. Erosion control. By intercepting precipitation, and also through its network of feeder roots near the surface, this tree dominates the landscape. Through the activity of microorganisms attached to and among these roots, it builds the soil resource.

Wind and Light Control. By deflecting, obstructing and filtering the wind, it moderated the climate for this property. This effect also benefited the nearby community. By filtering sunlight, it provided the perfect environment for the understory plants, and moderated the environment for the home and its residents.

Pollution and Noise Abatement. Gaseous and particulate pollution was intercepted by the leaves and bark, and buffered by the rootzone. The sound of traffic and other urban activity was muffled.

Ecosystem values. By attracting, sheltering and feeding wildlife, this mature tree was the keystone species in the local ecosystem. Its loss will have a ripple effect through the community of songbirds and small mammals, and many smaller species that often escape human notice.

Shade. The temperature under large trees is often more than ten degrees cooler than in the open. A nearby property which lost all its shade trees had a 67% increase in cooling costs.

Transpirational Cooling. A mature tree can transpire over 200 gallons of water through its leaves per day. The evaporation of this water into vapor has a considerable cooling effect, apart from shade. By recycling the water before it gets to the stream, the trees save on stormwater control costs.

Aesthetic Value. The tree’s rounded outline softens the harsh edges of the built environment. The deep green color visually cools the homesite, and the sheer size of this specimen frames the view into and out of the home from many angles.

Some people can't see the forest because of the trees, others can't see the tree values because they only see debris and feel fear. Open your eyes a little wider and see the benefits in the equation. Giving newbs advice on dismantling huge assets is like giveing bomb-making instructions to a teenager.