'How to Protect My Vegetable Garden From Neighboring Agricultural Spraying

[sonny580]

THATS what cultivators are for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 100 years ago there were no chemicals and everybody survived!! Too many GREEDY guys hogging the acres and cant take care of them is another problem in todays world!
My issues are still NOT resolved!

 

[TNTreeHugger]

THATS what cultivators are for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 100 years ago there were no chemicals and everybody survived!! Too many GREEDY guys hogging the acres and cant take care of them is another problem in todays world!
My issues are still NOT resolved!

 

[farmer steve]

THATS what cultivators are for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 100 years ago there were no chemicals and everybody survived!! Too many GREEDY guys hogging the acres and cant take care of them is another problem in todays world!
My issues are still NOT resolved!

I have 2 of them and use both. Where is all the food coming from for all the new arrivals in this country? 3.2 million new mouths to feed isn't coming from backyard gardens. I grew up pulling weeds and hoeing long rows. At close to 70 I ain't doing it. Like I said before, judicious use of herbicides is a tool . Just like a hoe or cultivators.

 

[sonny580]

Illegals need to stay in their own country!!!!!!!!!! They are NOT welcome here and are NOT our problem to feed or take care of. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We can grow plenty for our own needs WITHOUT chemicals!!
The farm chemicals here are even killing our trees due to the drift in the air . !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That crap goes for miles!
I used my cultivator right up til the last year I had row crops and never did use chemicals.
Had the chance to enroll in crp program so went that route with our farm.
The overproduction is killing the nation and no we dont need more!! We need less!

 

[John Lyngdal]

Sonny, don't worry about the farmer next door trying to make a living when the chemtrail Cabal are attacking you every day.

 

[lone wolf]

Illegals need to stay in their own country!!!!!!!!!! They are NOT welcome here and are NOT our problem to feed or take care of. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We can grow plenty for our own needs WITHOUT chemicals!!
The farm chemicals here are even killing our trees due to the drift in the air . !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That crap goes for miles!
I used my cultivator right up til the last year I had row crops and never did use chemicals.
Had the chance to enroll in crp program so went that route with our farm.
The overproduction is killing the nation and no we dont need more!! We need less!

Well, why the hell don't they use pellets instead of spray to control the drift?

 

[farmer steve]

Well, why the hell don't they use pellets instead of spray to control the drift?

A lot is. Microencapsulated. Also drift reduction nozzles. Some herbicides are incorporated into fertilizer. An example of pelleted is Preen.

 

[TNTreeHugger]

Sonny, don't worry about the farmer next door trying to make a living when the chemtrail Cabal are attacking you every day.

Oh yeah, I nearly forgot this is my thread... posted April 22... and you are just now feeling the need to comment?
And this is the best you have to offer?

@sonny580 Don't pay any attention to the snarky dude who has nothing constructive to say - probably doesn't even have a garden.
I'm with you 200%
ESPECIALLY THE PART ABOUT NOT BEING REQUIRED TO FEED THOSE WHO DON'T BELONG HERE.

 

[sonny580]

The guy next door has 10,000 acres and has no business with even a garden! The guys on down the road same deal! 70,000 under his command! --- and they cant take care of it. Even the fertilizer company here sprays on days of 30 mph winds,-- ya I know law says 8 mph max and 48" boom height ( these guys run 72" or higher), but who cares! RIGHT?? Just go kill everybodys stuff . Even the trees here are starting to die from that crap! When it rains and the sun gets hot the chemicals evaporate into the air from the ground and go for miles and miles taking out everthing in its path!
There is NO safe way to use them in the high amount they dump on!

 

[TNTreeHugger]

The guy next door has 10,000 acres and has no business with even a garden! The guys on down the road same deal! 70,000 under his command! --- and they cant take care of it. Even the fertilizer company here sprays on days of 30 mph winds,-- ya I know law says 8 mph max and 48" boom height ( these guys run 72" or higher), but who cares! RIGHT?? Just go kill everybodys stuff . Even the trees here are starting to die from that crap! When it rains and the sun gets hot the chemicals evaporate into the air from the ground and go for miles and miles taking out everthing in its path!
There is NO safe way to use them in the high amount they dump on!

And the way they look at it, the more trees that are killed and removed, the fewer obstacles in their way.
OMG, Sonny, the hell you must be going through surrounded by all that toxic farmland!
I know first hand exactly what you're going through.
Let me guess - soybeans and corn crops? 24-D, glyphosate, and Dicamba?

 

[Oletrapper]

If perhaps you're really serious. But I feel it's obvious you really haven't looked for a remedy. jmho OT
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[TNTreeHugger]

If perhaps you're really serious. But I feel it's obvious you really haven't looked for a remedy. jmho OT

That looks nice, good price, too. Wonder what they charge for shipping?
But, I've looked at those before, and if it's "breathable" it won't protect from chemical drift/gassing.

What I did this year was to cover my garden with clear plastic while the farmers are spraying... pre and post emergence.
Another huge plus for me is that the farmer who works the land directly to the north and south of my property told me he's stopped using 24-D altogether (since my property got contaminated) and is making a special effort to ensure that never happens again - at least not from anything he sprays.
I've also seen row crop land replaced with nursery stock, hay fields, cattle, and home lots.
So, things appear to be changing for the better, around here anyway.

 

[lone wolf]

That looks nice, good price, too. Wonder what they charge for shipping?
But, I've looked at those before, and if it's "breathable" it won't protect from chemical drift/gassing.

What I did this year was to cover my garden with clear plastic while the farmers are spraying... pre and post emergence.
Another huge plus for me is that the farmer who works the land directly to the north and south of my property told me he's stopped using 24-D altogether (since my property got contaminated) and is making a special effort to ensure that never happens again - at least not from anything he sprays.
I've also seen row crop land replaced with nursery stock, hay fields, cattle, and home lots.
So, things appear to be changing for the better, around here anyway.

24-D had dioxins in it right?

 

[TNTreeHugger]

24-D had dioxins in it right?

Yes. That's what separates 24-D from Agent Orange - the dioxins (supposedly) have been removed.
But, if it's made in and shipped here from foreign countries, who's to know if it has dioxins or not?

"Unfortunately, there is no good data to determine how much contact with the Agent Orange herbicide Vietnam Veterans may have had or to identify how much Agent Orange exposure was required to increase the risk of the developing one of the health"

And that's because the chemical companies pay for and authorize what gets tested... obviously they're not going to pay to have chemicals tested that they already know are toxic.

 

[sean donato]

If perhaps you're really serious. But I feel it's obvious you really haven't looked for a remedy. jmho OT
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Used something similar to that last year. Worked ok. The clear tarp part didn't make it to year 2. By the end of the Sumner it was shot. Very brittle. For what it cost, it wasn't worth replacing just the tarp part. Just did a normal garden this year and didn't worry about getting it started early.

 

[John Lyngdal]

Yes. That's what separates 24-D from Agent Orange - the dioxins (supposedly) have been removed.
But, if it's made in and shipped here from foreign countries, who's to know if it has dioxins or not?

"Unfortunately, there is no good data to determine how much contact with the Agent Orange herbicide Vietnam Veterans may have had or to identify how much Agent Orange exposure was required to increase the risk of the developing one of the health"

And that's because the chemical companies pay for and authorize what gets tested... obviously they're not going to pay to have chemicals tested that they already know are toxic.

Agent Orange was a mixture of 2,4,5-T and 2,4-D, both of which are phenoxy-acetic acetic acid class herbicides.
Dioxin is label applied to a group of chemical chemical structures, with 2,3,7,8-Tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin being the most toxic of the group, but was not the predominant "dioxin" contaminant in the 2,4,5-T used in Vietnam. The elevated "dioxin" content of the Vietnam era 2,4,5-T was due to sloppy process control driven by high product output demand.

A literature search for "dioxin" in 2-4-D resulted in no articles stating at "dioxin" was present in the samples tested. The EPA has made a more definitive statement:
https://www.epa.gov/ingredients-used-pesticide-products/24-d

The detection limit for "dioxin" and specifically 2,3,7,8-Tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin using EC-FTMS is astoundingly small, and in the femtogram per gram range, or 1/1000 of a part per trillion. So when EPA states there are no detectable levels of levels of "dioxin" in 2,4-D the amount that could slip by detection is stunningly minute.

The Wikipedia information https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,3,7,8-Tetrachlorodibenzodioxin contains a pretty accurate information on the compound.

 

[TNTreeHugger]

Agent Orange was a mixture of 2,4,5-T and 2,4-D, but both of which are phenoxy-acetic acetic acid class herbicides.
Second point is dioxin is label applied to a group of chemical chemical structures, with 2,3,7,8-Tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin being the most toxic of the group, but was not the predominant "dioxin" contaminant in the 2,4,5-T used in Vietnam. The elevated "dioxin" content of the Vietnam era 2,4,5-T was due to sloppy process control driven by high product output demand.

A literature search for "dioxin" in 2-4-D resulted in no articles stating at "dioxin" was present in the samples tested. The EPA has made a more definitive statement:
https://www.epa.gov/ingredients-used-pesticide-products/24-d

The detection limit for "dioxin" and specifically 2,3,7,8-Tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin using EC-FTMS is astoundingly small, and in the femtogram per gram range, or 1/1000 of a part per trillion. So when EPA states there are no detectable levels of levels of "dioxin" in 2,4-D the amount that could slip by detection is stunningly minute.

The Wikipedia information https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,3,7,8-Tetrachlorodibenzodioxin contains a pretty accurate information on the compound.

What part of " the chemical companies pay for the tests and aren't going to test chemicals they know are toxic"
What's stunning is your ignorance of how the alphabet agencies lie and cheat in order to sell the crap.

 

[John Lyngdal]

What part of " the chemical companies pay for the tests and aren't going to test chemicals they know are toxic"
What's stunning is your ignorance of how the alphabet agencies lie and cheat in order to sell the crap.

Nothing but hand-waving conspiracy claims devoid of data that are all but impossible to analyze and dispute.
A lazy and vain attempt to deflect your ignorance.
So you do believe in chemtrails and the alphabet agencies are lying about them. I should have guessed that.

Let's see your relevant supporting data for the statement that this type of analysis was fraudulent or suppressed.
It should be easy to find if is as prevalent as you claim, not to mention that it would have to be a global conspiracy as 2,4-D is used worldwide. Beyond that, there are non-government laboratories that have EC-FTMS instrumentation that could perform an independent analysis of your sample. I suspect Greenpeace and Beyond Toxics have already verified the EPA claims, or perhaps they are part of the conspiracy as well.....

 

[sonny580]

anyway I got dinner from the garden! Maybe I wont glow in the dark after eating! lol!

 

[John Lyngdal]

Fresh tomato and cucumber sandwiches on sourdough bread are my favorite out of the garden treat of a meal.