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Haywire Haywood

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As I've said before, we're looking at getting a Lennox Hearth Montecito fireplace installed this spring. I had planned to run this pretty much all winter if not as primary, as a major secondary heat source. I was looking at the online installation and operation manual and found this statement:

"Lennox Hearth Products wood burning appliances are designed for use as a supplemental heater. They are not intended for use as a primary heat source."

Does this mean that burning it 80% of the time during the winter months is going to kill it in short order?

I'm having second thoughts about my choice.
Ian
 
From what I read, 80% is better than 100% of the time. I would consider 80% to be supplemental? Good Luck.
 
As I've said before, we're looking at getting a Lennox Hearth Montecito fireplace installed this spring. I had planned to run this pretty much all winter if not as primary, as a major secondary heat source. I was looking at the online installation and operation manual and found this statement:

"Lennox Hearth Products wood burning appliances are designed for use as a supplemental heater. They are not intended for use as a primary heat source."

Does this mean that burning it 80% of the time during the winter months is going to kill it in short order?

I'm having second thoughts about my choice.
Ian

It might be a CYA thing, some implications if they conflict with operating instructions, need a stipulation to protect the manufacture.

An example....

If there saying that it is safer to shut the fireplace down to clean it, that there not going to be responsible if your water pipes freeze (?).
 
The dealer called back... nice-n-quick . He said his rep told him that statement should be in every EPA approved stove manual. It's a required statement. Reason being, it's understood that you have to let it die down long enough to remove the ashes. It's perfectly fine to burn it 24/7 as long as you let it go out long enough for ash removal.

Treeco.. It's a 72% non-cat secondary burn kind of appliance. Zero clearance manufactured fireplace.

Ian
 
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I have the Villa Vista and have been running it constantly for the last 2 winters with no problems. I've got a pretty big place so I have to supplement with the furnace in the morning when it gets really cold.
 
I wonder if it may have to do with building codes as well?

i.e. someone can't make the claim that having the woodstove as the sole source of heat meets the requirement for a heating system per the building code. I'm not sure what even my own state's requirement is in that regard...but I know you can't get a Certificate of Occupany without having a cook stove (gas or electric, dunno about wood) installed.
 
I think it has to do with the smoke discharge, if it is used "full time" they need to meet strict EPA standards, but if part time use, like a fireplace, no problem. That is why no cats on fireplaces.
Burn away and enjoy!
 
That is why no cats on fireplaces.

Ah, but they DO have a fireplace model with a cat... It's no more efficient than the one I chose, but it is a size larger.


"Villa Vista™

Impressive EPA Phase-II-approved fireplace combines powerful catalytic heating with a sophisticated European-style cast-iron single door."
 
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Ah, but they DO have a fireplace model with a cat... It's no more efficient than the one I chose, but it is a size larger.


"Villa Vista™

Impressive EPA Phase-II-approved fireplace combines powerful catalytic heating with a sophisticated European-style cast-iron single door."

Wow. Maybe in can be used in Calif. on the "no burn days", glad I am in Pa.
 
The dealer called back... nice-n-quick . He said his rep told him that statement should be in every EPA approved stove manual. It's a required statement. Reason being, it's understood that you have to let it die down long enough to remove the ashes. It's perfectly fine to burn it 24/7 as long as you let it go out long enough for ash removal.

Treeco.. It's a 72% non-cat secondary burn kind of appliance. Zero clearance manufactured fireplace.

Ian

That's a nice looking fireplace. The ashes are a problem, but I just shovel some out every morning, but a wood stove with an ash try is easier. I heat a 1300 sq. ft. house with a fuego fireplace: http://www.fuegoflame.com/Products_zero_c.htm

Good luck.
 
It's just shy of 3200 but it's all one level and a really open floor plan with lots of windows so we also benefit from a lot of passive solar heat. About 1800 feet is our great room, kitchen, living/dining room with no walls seperating the space. On a sunny day (even when it was 5 below) we can get it up to over 70. The area where our bedrooms (on the north side) definitley stays cool at about 60 but that's a good sleeping temp. We didn't do any gravity vents. We just use the celing fan in the room where the fireplace is and that seems to work. They claim that it will heat 2500 sq. ft. but I think that's under ideal conditions and you'd have to be able to evenly distribute the heat. I'm very satisfied with the VV but the wife is pushing for a wood furnace because she's not crazy about the mess that comes with primarily heating with wood.
 
That's an interesting fireplace. They claim 50K btu and say it will heat 3000 sq ft. The Monticeto claims 55K BTU WFO (2 hour burn time at that rate) and say it will heat 1500 sq ft. Explain that one to me... LOL

Ian
 
It's just shy of 3200 but it's all one level and a really open floor plan with lots of windows so we also benefit from a lot of passive solar heat. About 1800 feet is our great room, kitchen, living/dining room with no walls seperating the space. On a sunny day (even when it was 5 below) we can get it up to over 70. The area where our bedrooms (on the north side) definitley stays cool at about 60 but that's a good sleeping temp. We didn't do any gravity vents. We just use the celing fan in the room where the fireplace is and that seems to work. They claim that it will heat 2500 sq. ft. but I think that's under ideal conditions and you'd have to be able to evenly distribute the heat. I'm very satisfied with the VV but the wife is pushing for a wood furnace because she's not crazy about the mess that comes with primarily heating with wood.

We'll be trying to heat ~1750sq ft with the Monticeto, 2 levels, 1000 downstairs and the rest upstairs.

Ian
 
My vote is that the lawyers wrote it so that when the single mother of five children who can't afford to pay the gas man tries to heat the house with substandard wood and they all freeze to death or CO poisoned or overfired and all burnt to death, that manufacturer couldn't be sued because it was being used as a primary heat source.
 
Haywire,

Also take a gander at the Quadrafire 1700.

Been burning in one as primary for 3 years now. 2,500sq. ft. but that dosn't factor in the 18' ceiling in the living room/entry way. The thing will run you out when it's below zero outside. I have one remote run, but don't use it much, and skipped the two gravity ports...glad I did.

Burn times are good with seasoned Oak and run 3/4 on cold nights.
Blower could use some steroids is my only complaint.

My dealer has the Villa Vista with the CAT, and talks smack about it except for the smaller firebox.

As for the disclaimer, mine had it too. It was explained to me that it's standard in order to comply with local ordinances and insurance regs.

Best of luck with the matter.
The numbers from the manufacturer never really jibe with what ya get in the house it seems.

Stay safe!
Dingeryote
 
Any wiggle room?

We've got a Hearthstone Clydesdale insert upstairs and it gets the main floor decently warm (mainly a circulation issue).

We're remodeling (finishing) our basement and I'm thinking of putting something like this Lennox model in place of the Menard's special we have now. The Montecito's actually really beautiful - I'd love to have one. :)

Here's the problem - we JUST had the masonry flue re-lined with 40' of ovalized 6inch flex. The lennox asked for 7"...

Any thoughts on using the 6" or am I going to have to get back up there and re-do the liner?
 
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