I call B.S. on Stihl. My dyno doesn't lie. MS 461 is king over MS 660

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I think the thread title could have been a bit less provocative. We're comparing a single 461 against a single 660.
Stihl are probably talking to their lawyers as we speak :)

In saying that though I do actually enjoy these types of tests as it is an objective meaurement, not subjective. Without a dyno most people would assume that a simple muffler mod increases power by 20%, just from the sound.
 
chadihman said:
I give up.... No more of me on this thread. Let it dwindle away
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Don't let the Brush Ape get under your skin.......that is his goal.

What you have done with your creation is nothing short of remarkable.
To say I am jealous would be an understatement. :rock:

Deets066 said:
Don't take it to heart, you made a pretty bold statement, did you expect anything less? Keep doin what you do, everybody loves hearing this stuff even if they don't agree with it.
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Well said.
 
Can we delete this conversation and replace it with the one that should have happened? I was hoping to learn something valuable from it. All I learned so far is that we're like a bunch of kids arguing cause our feelings were hurt. I don't recall the OP telling anyone they have to sell there 660?? Yet we've made a whole thread trying to discredit his research????

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bubmiller said:
Can we delete this conversation and replace it with the one that should have happened? I was hoping to learn something valuable from it. All I learned so far is that we're like a bunch of kids arguing cause our feelings were hurt. I don't recall the OP telling anyone they have to sell there 660?? Yet we've made a whole thread trying to discredit his research????

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I wouldn't call most of the responses arguing at all. Not one single person on this site should think they can start a thread, about anything, and not have to explain their reasoning to other members.
I certainly don't agree with people starting to get abusive or those that resort to name calling.
 
You could delete and redelete till your fingers fall off. You will still get the same end resullts. Or you could just move to China and let them decide what you read or post on the internet.

Chad, I appreciate your work. I have enjoyed reading all your threads regarding your dyno.
 
I'll start a new thread when I get this 660 good and broken in. I agree the title is a bit harsh but I did that to get some conversation. I'm a Stihl head mostly because I work for a dealership that sells and services Stihl products. Manuals, parts, tools, and new saws are at my fingertips. I'll test the stock 660 on the dyno five times against the 461 again and get an average put together for both. I'm guessing the same thing. I already tested a 660 earlier and tested this 660 twice.

I enjoy the conversation. I don't enjoy guys bashing my dyno that have not a clue as to what there talking about. There's really only been a few of those.
The 660 has its place but from what I'm seeing its not as special as Stihl makes it out to be. Or maybe Stihl should make a bigger 461 as it seems to be a fine saw design.
 
Chad, I give you a lot of credit for building and developing the dyno - I'm a lot more impressed with what you've done with it than I expected to be when you first started talking about it. That your results ruffle some feathers should be no surprise, as so much of what gets thrown around here is based on old wive's tales and corporate marketing.
  1. If you were a manufacturer that had a larger displacement model that was less stressed, studier, heavier but didn't really make any more power than a smaller saw that was more highly tuned, you could never write that in a spec. Look at the reaction you'd get. There is no paradox in a larger displacement saw making the same power, it just means it is under less stress, and that may make perfect sense in a product lineup.
  2. Why do people put so much stock in published manufacturer's specs? Do you think there is some enforcement body that makes sure all these things are true - like some sort of truth-in-advertising requirement? Advertising is deception to make you spend money on things you don't need, to increase the want so it overwhelms the need - and these kinds of specs are purely advertising. Clearly no one cares what lies might be told in the attempt to get your money, as that is what our society is all about. The only thing that keeps such specs at all accurate is the PR risk if their customers discover they are BS, which in turn damages brand loyalty.
 
chadihman said:
I'll start a new thread when I get this 660 good and broken in. I agree the title is a bit harsh but I did that to get some conversation. I'm a Stihl head mostly because I work for a dealership that sells and services Stihl products. Manuals, parts, tools, and new saws are at my fingertips. I'll test the stock 660 on the dyno five times against the 461 again and get an average put together for both. I'm guessing the same thing. I already tested a 660 earlier and tested this 660 twice.

I enjoy the conversation. I don't enjoy guys bashing my dyno that have not a clue as to what there talking about. There's really only been a few of those.
The 660 has its place but from what I'm seeing its not as special as Stihl makes it out to be. Or maybe Stihl should make a bigger 461 as it seems to be a fine saw design.
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They did but it was recalled.
 
Chad, i been saying that for years..........it is MO that the 1128 saws are better balanced with a better power curve........just not quite big enough for big hardwood and long bars. the 660 just dosn't feel as comfortable..........
don't get me wrong, i have and use a ported 660........i just like the 461 better.
i think it was Randy that said the porting is flawed in the 660 as well as some newer big huskys.........he fixes that.
 
mdavlee said:
A new 660 port timing is way too high for torque. They work fine for a 20" bar but Clint's the only one that runs one like that.
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Do you think the timing issue is an oversight on Stihl's part or something they needed to do for emissions and/or reliability?
There is also a chance that they deliberately detuned the 660's timing so it wouldn't embarrass the 880. That should keep the conspiracy theorists happy :)
With the amount of fuel a 660 goes through I'm surprised they can pass any emission standards anywhere on earth!
 
chadihman said:
I'll start a new thread when I get this 660 good and broken in. I agree the title is a bit harsh but I did that to get some conversation. I'm a Stihl head mostly because I work for a dealership that sells and services Stihl products. Manuals, parts, tools, and new saws are at my fingertips. I'll test the stock 660 on the dyno five times against the 461 again and get an average put together for both. I'm guessing the same thing. I already tested a 660 earlier and tested this 660 twice.

I enjoy the conversation. I don't enjoy guys bashing my dyno that have not a clue as to what there talking about. There's really only been a few of those.
The 660 has its place but from what I'm seeing its not as special as Stihl makes it out to be. Or maybe Stihl should make a bigger 461 as it seems to be a fine saw design.
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That is the 661.......

Coming soon. :)

Hey, I owe you a woods port.......when are you gonna cash in?
 

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