Kottonwood
ArboristSite Operative
My groundmen make 15 an hour.
Check your PM if you want to come to CO.
Check your PM if you want to come to CO.
is it just me, or am i not getting paid enough
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Kottonwood
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I name my saws after motorcycles..... guess I know where my heart is
arborjockey
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I named my kids AFTER my saws. Jonesred just turned 12. Little echo never shuts up he's 5
At least no one called you stupid!
Jeff :msp_biggrin:
Jeff :msp_biggrin:
richard88
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Kieth,
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It's nice to see other guys that hold their chainsaws up with everything else. I have a regular cab pickup and i often find myself with my 372xpw riding shotgun
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It's nice to see other guys that hold their chainsaws up with everything else. I have a regular cab pickup and i often find myself with my 372xpw riding shotgun
tree md
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Not much to add. You're never going to make great money doing line clearance unless you are the owner. You need to transition into residential tree care to make the money you are shooting for.
... My saws are named 200T, 260, 361, 044, 660...
... My saws are named 200T, 260, 361, 044, 660...
richard88
ArboristSite Lurker
Tree md,
i'm starting to realize that. We do a fair amount of residential work, but my boss considers his utility contracts to be his bread and butter. It seems to work out for him, so i cant say he made the wrong descision, but I also need to do what's best for me. In this case I think I need to seek out a company that i can continue to learn new things from, so that i can contribute to a high standard of profesionalism in this business.
Thanks,
Richard
i'm starting to realize that. We do a fair amount of residential work, but my boss considers his utility contracts to be his bread and butter. It seems to work out for him, so i cant say he made the wrong descision, but I also need to do what's best for me. In this case I think I need to seek out a company that i can continue to learn new things from, so that i can contribute to a high standard of profesionalism in this business.
Thanks,
Richard
Re apply to the Forrest Service. You wont regret it in a few years when you realize you have a decent check and retirement instead of a bunch of worn out equipment and a big payment every month for your pickup etc. You can run a tree car biz on the weekends.
Fairbanks Stump
iStumpgrinder
I didnt know there were any trees in Wyoming.
sounds like you are gaining some valuable experience! Seeing as though the Arborist cert is primarily for your benefit I think if I was you I'd pay for it my self and use the cert as a Negotiating tool to either Garner a higher wage or a better paying job else where. if you are safe and don't mind working seasonally I generally hire an all around guy CDL, Climber, Brush Ape, and beer drinkin' after work guy for around $22/hr 40hr min. May to September After that we hibernate here in Fairbanks AK
sounds like you are gaining some valuable experience! Seeing as though the Arborist cert is primarily for your benefit I think if I was you I'd pay for it my self and use the cert as a Negotiating tool to either Garner a higher wage or a better paying job else where. if you are safe and don't mind working seasonally I generally hire an all around guy CDL, Climber, Brush Ape, and beer drinkin' after work guy for around $22/hr 40hr min. May to September After that we hibernate here in Fairbanks AK
VA-Sawyer
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Todd,
The first time I read this, I saw it as " You don't have any experience, you don't know what you are doing,......etc. Hence my comment about being harsh, as I think Richard88 sounds like he has his head on straight, and is doing much better than most 'somewhat new climbers'. I would call him 'gung ho', but without the normal clueless sounding statements so common with the inexperienced. Having reread your post, I now see it as a positive but honest statement. I apologize for my comment. Rick
Richard88,
Hang in there man. I also like the way you sound in your posts, and it sure does sound to me like you are underpaid. I still think you should at least talk to the other company in town. Call the owner and ask if he will make time to meet with you 'for a burger' some day after work. Maybe he would like to have a climber that knows something about tree care. Maybe he doesn't care about trees. Whichever, I would sure give myself the chance at a better job. I know what it is like to be slowly going under every month. " Can't afford to leave, can't afford to stay.... IT SUCKS!
Good luck,
Rick
Fairbanks Stump
iStumpgrinder
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May to September that's 5 months plus or minus a couple weeks on either side
Its ok I make as much as most do in 12 and don't have to work out side in the cold!
May to September that's 5 months plus or minus a couple weeks on either side
Its ok I make as much as most do in 12 and don't have to work out side in the cold!
You make as much in 12 but I was thinking of the guy you pay $22 an hour. He don't.
Jeff
Fairbanks Stump
iStumpgrinder
Very astute jeff
You are correct but that is why I offered a seasonal job?!?! I wouldn't want to come up here for the winter any way it's too cold for a newbie!
You are correct but that is why I offered a seasonal job?!?! I wouldn't want to come up here for the winter any way it's too cold for a newbie!
himiler
If I wake up . . . it's a good day.
Several things:
You're getting married. Is your wifes family from the area? Is she going to have a hard time leaving? My wife referred to home as being where her parents lived up in PA for the first 12 years of our marriage. They eventually moved down here and she got over it. The longer you're in a place or the longer you're in a certain set of circumstances the more likely you'll stay there. It's called a rut.
You're like a bar of soap, one day you'll be all used up. In the meantime at the very least work for the highest bidder, and for goodness sakes learn how to survive on less than you make. Learn what it takes to start a business in this industry and return to compete against the residential hack. If you do start a business remember you're a businessman in the Arborcultural industry, not an arborist in business for himself.
Don't show all your cards from the beginning. You demonstrated you had saws and equipment plus you were willing to work hard for what he's paying you. Why did or does he have to do more than he already has done? You laid your hand out for him to see without your boss having to even show the first card. He won that hand. Another book I'll recommend that has nothing to do with our field but is important in everyday life is "The Powers of Negotiation" by Roger Dawson. Who cares if it's fun to read or even what you want to read. You do what you have to do when you have to do it. You discipline yourself to structure your life to do and learn what's necessary.
Steve
You're getting married. Is your wifes family from the area? Is she going to have a hard time leaving? My wife referred to home as being where her parents lived up in PA for the first 12 years of our marriage. They eventually moved down here and she got over it. The longer you're in a place or the longer you're in a certain set of circumstances the more likely you'll stay there. It's called a rut.
You're like a bar of soap, one day you'll be all used up. In the meantime at the very least work for the highest bidder, and for goodness sakes learn how to survive on less than you make. Learn what it takes to start a business in this industry and return to compete against the residential hack. If you do start a business remember you're a businessman in the Arborcultural industry, not an arborist in business for himself.
Don't show all your cards from the beginning. You demonstrated you had saws and equipment plus you were willing to work hard for what he's paying you. Why did or does he have to do more than he already has done? You laid your hand out for him to see without your boss having to even show the first card. He won that hand. Another book I'll recommend that has nothing to do with our field but is important in everyday life is "The Powers of Negotiation" by Roger Dawson. Who cares if it's fun to read or even what you want to read. You do what you have to do when you have to do it. You discipline yourself to structure your life to do and learn what's necessary.
Steve
himiler
If I wake up . . . it's a good day.
In Boy Scouts as an adult leader I have a formula I use.
For the first three ranks (Scout, Tenderfoot, & Second Class) it's all about teaching and learning.
When a scout achieves First Class I'm seeking out his weaknesses and working with him to improve or remove those weaknesses.
For the last three ranks, (Star, Life, & Eagle), I'm all about exploiting any weakness I can root out. I poke and prod, I don't just bring it to their attention, I shove it in their face! These young men trust me and have faith in me, they believe in me and what I'm doing because I communicate that concern and caring to them but I also prepare them for the rest of their life.
Arboristsite? A lot like this. Arborist 101 for starting out. Other forums for different levels and interests. Commercial forum for the ones who can stand the heat. If you get whacked around in this forum or if someone calls you out it's because they took the time to show an interest. You want to be an Arborist? This is the place to be.
For the first three ranks (Scout, Tenderfoot, & Second Class) it's all about teaching and learning.
When a scout achieves First Class I'm seeking out his weaknesses and working with him to improve or remove those weaknesses.
For the last three ranks, (Star, Life, & Eagle), I'm all about exploiting any weakness I can root out. I poke and prod, I don't just bring it to their attention, I shove it in their face! These young men trust me and have faith in me, they believe in me and what I'm doing because I communicate that concern and caring to them but I also prepare them for the rest of their life.
Arboristsite? A lot like this. Arborist 101 for starting out. Other forums for different levels and interests. Commercial forum for the ones who can stand the heat. If you get whacked around in this forum or if someone calls you out it's because they took the time to show an interest. You want to be an Arborist? This is the place to be.
Yeah, I was pretty proud when I got my 'Arrow of Light'.
Jeff :smile2:
Jeff :smile2:
arborjockey
ArboristSite Guru
whos he gaining experience from? poooor kid theirs a hole world out here for yah.
richard88
ArboristSite Lurker
va sawyer,
Thank you very much, i really appreciate the words of encouragement.
Fairbanks,
I'd love to come up there, but at the moment i'm focusing on finding something that will keep me working a few more months out of the year.
To everyone else,
Thanks for contributing to such an informative thread for me and i will definitely be posting here more often.
Thanks guys!
-Richard
Thank you very much, i really appreciate the words of encouragement.
Fairbanks,
I'd love to come up there, but at the moment i'm focusing on finding something that will keep me working a few more months out of the year.
To everyone else,
Thanks for contributing to such an informative thread for me and i will definitely be posting here more often.
Thanks guys!
-Richard
tbow388
Off The Air BEEEEEEEEP
I see the point your making... your total lack of self worth has relegated you to a under paid office worker who is brown nosing the boss so that that POS does not go replace him with an illegal. Sounds to me your part of the problem not the solution.
here you forgot your glasses
Well Richard. Seems like you are getting some good advice. I hope it all works out for you great. Maybe some good will come to you from this thread. I hope you understand what I tried to say by working hard and you will get rewarded even if it isn't by your current employer. Don't shortchange yourself and do less because you are getting paid less. Keep up the hard work!!!
Now Stihl-O-Matic. You wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? I gave my opinion as you did and you want to be a butt about it. This is a thread asking for a opinion and I gave mine.
Stihl, I might be a part of your problem because I believe in working hard for what I get. A less government kinda guy that believes in working your way up instead of getting it in handouts. I bet we see quit differently on things.
Yep I am a office worker that answers phones and deals with customers, work on a computer, also unload 53' trucks , sweep floors, does construction when needed, works on and fixes broken things. (try to give the owner the most for his money.) Even though that is not in my job description.
SOM, maybe I could be a boss. Maybe I like for people to move up in position.
I might be underpaid to your standard but I think the 20 years I have been at my job and been the sole supporter of my family think I do pretty well. I started from the bottom, now at the top.
My point with a Mexican is that they work hard for less. (crappy employers take advantage of them BIG TIME!!!!!) Maybe in a small company if Richard demands more money the boss will say "well you are outa here then" because he is either a cheap butt or he really can't afford to pay him more. I bet his insurance rates are killer!!!!
Stihl, Thanks for the glasses. I will put them to work.
Here is your brown bag for your handouts!!! See Stihl, I can be a butt also.
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