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[dboyd351]

So was something I said untrue?

Other than the fact that it is irrelevant, I guess not.

 

[Dennisthemenace]

Someone should ask those climate bean counters what caused the eight or so years of drought during the nineteen thirties.The crops failed every year and all the top soil blew away in the USA and Canadian mid west.I live in a northern climate the wood stove is on from late Sept till end of April.At the turn of the century the houses and factories in Port Arthur and Fort William now known as ThunderBay were heated with coal I have looked at old pictures from this era you would think if coal was so bad the trees would be deformed or dead the horses and people would be keeled over but the trees and flowers etc also the animals look as healthy or healthier than today.
Climate change is the new get rich scheme game.
Look at the trillions they gleaned from the masses for cancer research they still havent came up with any thing of real value aids herpes the list goes on.
All those wind turbines in the middle of Bum F----- now where the power is lost in the transmission lines of any great distance .The money in wind is the pay outs and the building.
I have been on solar since 1985 solar is a better band aid than Coleman fuel but is very challenging to live with.
This is Ontario Canada honest honest truth about 8 years ago Kathleen Wynn of the liberal party took some cuts from solar and wind companies she sold off a part of Ontario Hydro owned by the citzens of Canada and introduced a brain child of a law any one could buy a stand alone solar system only to feed into the grid and Ontario Hydro would pay you 80 cents a kilo watt hour locked in for guaranteed twenty years.Can you believe this they pay 80 cents and sell to all customers for 12 cents.I am an electrician and we have many water dam hydro stations around us I have worked in the vast majority some have 7 turbines the most I have ever saw producing power were 2 turbines the offices are full of middle management transfered from some where so they could put them some where.Sadly these plants were once well well maintained but not any more they are constantly cutting the trades people and sticking more displaced middle managers with nothing to do.
Kash
There is a giant surplus of power but the selling and trading of it is crookeder than the carbon tax credits.Think about it when all the manufacturing plants closed would you have more or less power available.

Yes, it's a hoax but as always follow the money.

 

[John Rochester]

Norway sounds marvelous. how did they manage to phase out the old gas burners run by people like me
who can't afford new replacements. I drive a 98 dodge diesel and when it goes ,I have no idea how to pay for a modern truck- much less how to repair the thing. NOT a criticism -just a constant worry.

how long have you been brain dead????

 

[Baldrick]

And at least the people in India have the sense not to sh!t on the sidewalk...California, not so much

https://newspunch.com/san-francisco-complaints-****-sidewalk/

Unfortunately, they've been ******** in the streets in India for a long time. I think Californians should be spanked for cultural appropriation.

 

[John Rochester]

Yes, it's a hoax but as always follow the money.

AS for the dust bowl Thats clear enough. miles of bare dirt fields tilled out fine no soil water holding compacity, causing bad runoff/ evaporation results in low cloud formation
look up regenerative agriculture =the causes and solutions are there for people willing to look
this is proven and very profitable compared to traditional farming

 

[Baldrick]

Glad I live in Pennsylvania. ain't nobody taking my saws away

Hey Cbarnhart17, I used to hunt up your way somewhere along Mosquito Creek. Always stayed in Clearfield. There used to be a bar near where we hunted that was run by Indians - excuse me - Indigenous Americans. They were great guys! Beautiful area!!!

 

[Cbarnhart17]

Hey Cbarnhart17, I used to hunt up your way somewhere along Mosquito Creek. Always stayed in Clearfield. There used to be a bar near where we hunted that was run by Indians - excuse me - Indigenous Americans. They were great guys! Beautiful area!!!

Right it's awesome up here

 

[atlashunter]

I can tell you are a beekeeper - not.

I have been keeping bees for 12 years. Most people keeping bees lose money on it every year - it is more of a hobby. By far the most profitable component of the beekeeping industry is the CA almond crop and other associated crops. There are large beekeepers all across the U.S. who truck hundreds of hives to CA each year to pollinate the almonds and some other crops out that way. Then they move to other areas that want pollination on their way back home. The two industries survive because neither is profitable without the other.

Want to explain how this is bad for the bees?

By the way - honey bees are not native to the U.S.
Virtually all the bees in hives are raised by other beekeepers who sell them to each other - they are not part of any native bee population.

Carry on.

I’m a beekeeper and I think even most commercial beekeepers would agree that trucking thousands of hives from across the country to a concentrated area where pathogens can easily spread and then trucking them back all over the country is not good for the bees. May be good or at least necessary for the commercial beekeepers but for the bees not so much.

 

[atlashunter]

I'm glad to hear their move was good for them all. Nothing easy about picking up and heading out to a new state and making that big adjustment. It's just a pattern we seem to repeat all too often, saying some other group is the problem when really, that's the problem right there, calling out fellow citizens as "other". We've been hoodwinked in this country for way too long now, being taught that half of our own citizens, sometimes brothers and sisters of our own family are the problem when in reality the problem was accepting the wrongheaded narrative that fellow citizens of our country are enemies? Little wonder we are now as divided as we are, and not getting any closer to closing the gap either when we keep falling into the us vs them mindset. Sure there's some mighty dumb liberal ideas, I've heard far too many. I've also heard plenty dumb ideas on the conservative side too.

A lot of folks whether they recognize it or not vote for destructive policies. There’s a reason some states in this country are crumbling while others are thriving. Californians are reaping what they have sown which is to say they have the government they deserve.

 

[John Rochester]

I’m a beekeeper and I think even most commercial beekeepers would agree that trucking thousands of hives from across the country to a concentrated area where pathogens can easily spread and then trucking them back all over the country is not good for the bees. May be good or at least necessary for the commercial beekeepers but for the bees not so much.

Yes I have a few hives, for personal use,
as for the hauling of bees , you make a good point, If more farmers practiced regenerative agriculture, including multisession balances of pollinator plants around their crops, we would not be in this mess

 

[bwalker]

Someone should ask those climate bean counters what caused the eight or so years of drought during the nineteen thirties.The crops failed every year and all the top soil blew away in the USA and Canadian mid west.I live in a northern climate the wood stove is on from late Sept till end of April.At the turn of the century the houses and factories in Port Arthur and Fort William now known as ThunderBay were heated with coal I have looked at old pictures from this era you would think if coal was so bad the trees would be deformed or dead the horses and people would be keeled over but the trees and flowers etc also the animals look as healthy or healthier than today.
Climate change is the new get rich scheme game.
Look at the trillions they gleaned from the masses for cancer research they still havent came up with any thing of real value aids herpes the list goes on.
All those wind turbines in the middle of Bum F----- now where the power is lost in the transmission lines of any great distance .The money in wind is the pay outs and the building.
I have been on solar since 1985 solar is a better band aid than Coleman fuel but is very challenging to live with.
This is Ontario Canada honest honest truth about 8 years ago Kathleen Wynn of the liberal party took some cuts from solar and wind companies she sold off a part of Ontario Hydro owned by the citzens of Canada and introduced a brain child of a law any one could buy a stand alone solar system only to feed into the grid and Ontario Hydro would pay you 80 cents a kilo watt hour locked in for guaranteed twenty years.Can you believe this they pay 80 cents and sell to all customers for 12 cents.I am an electrician and we have many water dam hydro stations around us I have worked in the vast majority some have 7 turbines the most I have ever saw producing power were 2 turbines the offices are full of middle management transfered from some where so they could put them some where.Sadly these plants were once well well maintained but not any more they are constantly cutting the trades people and sticking more displaced middle managers with nothing to do.
Kash
There is a giant surplus of power but the selling and trading of it is crookeder than the carbon tax credits.Think about it when all the manufacturing plants closed would you have more or less power available.

I pity anyone that has to pay Ontario Hydro rates. I did for six years and my azz still hurts.

 

[jhuls]

240v? That's crazy. I guess homeowners have to have special outlets now?

240v? That's crazy. I guess homeowners have to have special outlets now?

Hmm. I have never lived in a house in the US that did was not wired for 240. Even if I did it would be simple to fix and would be fixed to run other 240 stuff. Welder for one. Electric dryer for two. Simple to run a 240 line if you have room in panel

 

[Brufab]

I think the guy said he lived in Australia and that's how the whole house is wired but I could be wrong.

 

[tomalophicon]

I think the guy said he lived in Australia and that's how the whole house is wired but I could be wrong.

Yes 240v is standard in a Australia. I know nothing more than that (it's illegal here to do any DIY lighting or wiring outside of changing a light bulb or fuse)

 

[SS396driver]

Hmm. I have never lived in a house in the US that did was not wired for 240. Even if I did it would be simple to fix and would be fixed to run other 240 stuff. Welder for one. Electric dryer for two. Simple to run a 240 line if you have room in panel

All power coming into a residential home in the US is 240v then split to 110. Alot of countries are straight 240v and all their appliances run on 240v .

 

[Ed Penney]

California took another step toward its goal of ridding the state of all gas-powered engines thanks to a new bill signed by Gov. Newsom on Saturday.

The new law will ban the sale of all off-road gas-powered engines, including pressure washers, generators, lawn mowers, chainsaws and weed trimmers. Under the new law, these machines must be zero-emissions, meaning they will have to be either battery-powered or plug-in.

The new rule will be implemented by January 2024, or as soon as regulators determine is "feasible," whichever date is later. The California Air Resources Board has already started working on executing the law.

 

[Ed Penney]

Extra splash of oil per tank just for you California..View attachment 934471

California= Granola Land, what ain't fruits and nuts are flakes

 

[FrugalFirewoodDad]

Under the new law, these machines must be zero-emissions, meaning they will have to be either battery-powered or plug-in.

Gavin Newsom is a ________ ______ __________. I absolutely L______ that ___ _______ _______-_________.

 

[FrugalFirewoodDad]

you bunch of dinosaurs
batteries powered by renewables is ONLY solution we have, look at norway with 75% electric cars, powered by renewables, and look at their high gdp and lack of debt
"you dont know what you have got till its gone"

Norway is something like 50th in length of commute, has extensive geothermal capabilities, and a population the size of northern NJ.

Comparing it to the US is apples to granite.

 

[FrugalFirewoodDad]

Point is this, as long as we are more concerned with our "rights" than our responsibilities we are sure to loose more of the former than we'd ever care to see go away. This ain't 1955 anymore, folks. Change for the better or the change that's coming won't be the kind any of us want to see, I can promise you that.

Meet in the middle. Acquiesce. Its time to give in.

Well, frankly, some of us have lived a bit and seen a bit and are, at this point, simple tired of the Overton Window constantly reframing in the wrong direction.

If I thought for more than a second that those making the proposals, laws, etc were interested in the collective responsibility of (for?) Humanity and not padding their and their families bank account I'd be open for some conciliation.

I dont, so I am not. With all due respect, of course.