I've developed a bad habit...?

[oldirty]

Why?

like i said, i wasnt knocking it but he did ask.


the way i see it. if we both saddled up at the same time by the time you have out your cube, i am in the tree working. and by the time you are up to your first branch i have already cleared my path the the tip taking limbs that dont need rigging. and by the time you start your saw i am rigging the limb off the house.

trying not to sound too braggart here man, bare with me.

this is on the everyday average tree.

i can definitely agree with pre setting a line in a takedown if the tree calls for it. but all of them?

is not time money?

 

[Slvrmple72]

opcorn:

 

[kennertree]

like i said, i wasnt knocking it but he did ask.


the way i see it. if we both saddled up at the same time by the time you have out your cube, i am in the tree working. and by the time you are up to your first branch i have already cleared my path the the tip taking limbs that dont need rigging. and by the time you start your saw i am rigging the limb off the house.

trying not to sound too braggart here man, bare with me.

this is on the everyday average tree.

i can definitely agree with pre setting a line in a takedown if the tree calls for it. but all of them?

is not time money?

Time is money but its not all about speed. Every now and then I will climb to my TIP and then set my climbing line but most of the time I pre-set it. It's the safest way imo. Efficiency is the key. Setting a line just takes a few minutes.

 

[oldirty]

Time is money but its not all about speed. Every now and then I will climb to my TIP and then set my climbing line but most of the time I pre-set it. It's the safest way imo. Efficiency is the key. Setting a line just takes a few minutes.

i can see why you have skill with the troball man. patience!

my ADD doesnt allow me to hang around so to speak. lol


see you in the tree!

 

[clearance]

Why not? It's so much easier to move around the canopy with a high TIP. When you have your TIP before you get in the tree you can start from the bottom and get out on limbs over a house. It's the safest way to do things. There are so many advantages to doing it this way.

I am sorry Kenner, I have been climbing so many conifers I forgot about those pesky spreading things. With them I know of what you speak, climb high, tie in and swing around to do your work.

 

[aktoyota]

I use a steel core flipline and US adjuster which seems to work fine. For passing limbs I have a piece of rope climbing line (slightly stiffer than most arborist line) with a prusik for adjustment. One end has an eye spliced on and you can use it as a flipline for passing limbs or as a safety for cutting. I choke it around the tree through the eye as extra protection for cutting or if I want to take a break from the spurs while waiting for the ground guys I can hang on it for a while. Nothing fancy but handy for shifting gear and as a backup.

 

[Blakesmaster]

I'm trying to rid myself of this bad habit as well. Hate to bring even more gear up the tree with me but I'm debating a second lanyard for when I'm chunking down a spar and I made a 2 in 1 jobby to let me move past limbs while still remaining tied in. Hard to switch things up, especially when it adds time and weight while in the tree.

 

[oldirty]

I'm trying to rid myself of this bad habit as well. Hate to bring even more gear up the tree with me but I'm debating a second lanyard for when I'm chunking down a spar and I made a 2 in 1 jobby to let me move past limbs while still remaining tied in. Hard to switch things up, especially when it adds time and weight while in the tree.

you are looking at it wrong.

sure you can do what you do. and you might do it well. but if you are not willing to try something new and or different it's the only way you know. and yes you can end up being efficient with it because you have to and also the body is a wonderful thing with its muscle memory and its ability learn to work.

what i am saying is that if you add a couple pounds of jingle jangle to your belt, a belt that is meant to hold the jingle jangle, and you learn how to use it properly then your climbing has just gotten that much better.

sure some people like to stand around and talk about what they got and how to use it in the tree and they take soooo long to get into the tree because of all the stuff. if you can actually find somethings that you can add to the arsenal then by all means use it. first 4 yrs of my climbing it was taughtline the same line, no biner or rope snap. thank the good Lord i found another way. then i hopped onto another crew and i witnessed the next phase of climbing game. splittails and all the pulleys and bs i saw. i sneered. laughed too. but then i was watching how easy the TIPs were being moved and the ease of it. hopped on the band wagon and quick. best part is that i still know the old way so its there if i ever need it but i sure wont be going to it first. lol


bottom line for this long winded post blakes?

evolve your climbing setup and up your production. i wouldnt lie to you about something like this bud.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

I know guys who won't blink at an 18 pound saw in the tree, but scoff at a few extra doo-dad's on the belt.

The best configuration I've seen for chunking down is using an adjustable friction saver as a choker connection, then you have a safety and self rescue if the "God Forbid" happens.

John Balls breakdown of the OSHA death statistics show that most falls happen when a climber is recrotching and has no secondary tie in.

What is the Old & Bold proverb?

Only fools free climb...Nels!

 

[Jlarnard]

My old boss was a real pain. I had a tendancy starting out climbing to not like releasing the buckstrap and free climbing past a limb. But he would scold me and tell me if I am going to take that long that he would hire someone else. So I met him half way. Once I get past 30 feet or so I would use my climbing line to tie in. I then found that climbing while tied in is so much faster and easier, not to mention safer.
So there are always exceptions, but why not set a climbing line? Now business owners of coarse you don't want to think of your men wasting time like this. But how much time will a fall cost your crew? Believe me it isn't going to be easy getting the motivated after the ambulance rolls away. And for those of you still lucky enough to be working by the hour. WHy not get paid a little more each day for being safe?

 

[Blakesmaster]

Thanks for the advice, OD. Just kinda hard in this area as the only quick climbers are serious old school minimalists. Just newbies like myself who are starting to experiment with the new ####e. Kinda feel like a schmuck with even the minute amount of jangle I have when the vets are watching, ya know? When you're next tour starts be sure to inform me so I can line up a job or two for you. I think seeing someone with the new-fangled jazz working it efficiently will help me to evolve my system and become a better climber. What's your going rate for instructional courses anyway?

 

[Nailsbeats]

What is the Old & Bold proverb?

Only fools free climb...Nels!

Ha, that's a good one John, but I aint buying it. I think Proverbs says, " The climber that freeclimbs to the top, shall win the prize." lol.

 

[oldirty]

What's your going rate for instructional courses anyway?

depends on the tree.

 

[oldirty]

ya i hear you about what the old timer is going to say to you when you go up. but you know what? f' em. he's almost out the game anyway. like i said, you can be real good with the old way but just imagine what you can do with something new and proven.

of course anything new stinks to try to get to work for you. but like i said muscle memory and the bodies ability are great tools to have on your side.

where are you in relation to me heading west?

 

[ddhlakebound]

Ha, that's a good one John, but I aint buying it. I think Proverbs says, " The climber that freeclimbs to the top, shall win the prize." lol.

:monkey: :monkey:

Nails, climb how you want....but you're doing a disservice to all the noobs who read your threads and check out your pics by boasting about freeclimbing here. How are you gonna feel if one of 'em follows your lead, and winds up on their ass injured or dead?

Aren't there enough dangers in treework already without multiplying them? I always thought the prize was getting to go home to your family at the end of the day.

 

[tree md]

I take each tree as it comes. Sometimes I set a climbing line if the tree calls for it but mostly I just use a steelcore in conjunction with a regular flipline and alternate lanyards on the way up. Do I always tie in when passing a limb... No and thats a bad habbit I know. Most times I do though. I look at it this way, if you do this for a living and climb on a daily basis the law of averages says that you will eventually slip. I would rather be tied in when that occures (and it has happened to me more that once). Also, I like having a second lanyard with me for positioning purposes. I can't count the times that I have been out on a limb with a climbing line, belted in with a flipline and using the secondary lanyard to hold me in position while I make my cut. It's great for positioning and stabalization while making cuts in akward positions.

 

[Nailsbeats]

:monkey: :monkey:

Nails, climb how you want....but you're doing a disservice to all the noobs who read your threads and check out your pics by boasting about freeclimbing here. How are you gonna feel if one of 'em follows your lead, and winds up on their ass injured or dead?

Aren't there enough dangers in treework already without multiplying them? I always thought the prize was getting to go home to your family at the end of the day.

First off it was a joke, second I haven't done anyone a disservice, third nobody is boasting.
Make your own choices, I do and I will live with my consequences and you will live with your's. You are right about the prize, it is going home to your family.
I was taught to climb trees and poles that way, I can footlock or spike with fliplines, or freeclimb, I think if you want to be well rounded you should learn all or them. With freeclimbing, maintain 3 points of contact and try not to trust limbs, two hands securely around the tree and walk up one spike at a time locking out your knees after you spike that leg in to maintain the nescessary 30 degree angle between the leg and tree. Trust your spikes and don't pull your weight off of them with your arms. That is my advice for newbys.

 

[lync]

If your good with the throwball set the line but don't isolate it ,have the groundman belay you off a port a wrap as you spike up. Almost like free climbing but safer. Set a tip and go to work. Corey

 

[kennertree]

One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet I don't think, is if you were to get injured on your way up and only have one means of attatchment. When I first started climbing I wasn't always tied in twice because I was taught the old school way. I cut my hand pretty bad once, I had been climbing about 3 years. The cut was on my hand and cut through my pinky bone and cut all the tendons that lead to my pinky finger and ring finger on my right hand. There was no way I could use that hand. Luckily that day I was tied in twice and was able to undo my lanyard and decend with one hand. If I wouldn't had been tied in twice I might have bled to death trying to get down. Ever since that day I never climb without being tied in twice.

 

[Blakesmaster]

where are you in relation to me heading west?

I don't know if I'm right on the route you'd be taking but if it's Mass you're coming from I'm in the Southern Tier of NYS right on I81. I'd be more than willing to kick some dough towards your travel fund, pay you for the day, fill your belly with beer and beef and send ya on your way.