Ghillie
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Nice sig.... And no I climb like a fat man!
Just call me jingle jangle.
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Nice sig.... And no I climb like a fat man!
TreeChickee
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I never thought of using throw line to tie it. I just bought myself a new line a couple weeks ago (a Zing-It, works amazing, hurts my hands like heck though), so I think the old one's going to be getting cut up pretty soon... I've been complaining about how the prussik I have now is too short, that problem will be fixed soon enough!
And thanks!
My brother's supposed to design a shirt for me with that on it, my mom thinks I should wear it to class. Not sure how well it's going to go over though, since I'm the only girl.
Nice sig.... And no I climb like a fat man!
And thanks!
My brother's supposed to design a shirt for me with that on it, my mom thinks I should wear it to class. Not sure how well it's going to go over though, since I'm the only girl.
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Nice sig.... And no I climb like a fat man!
Welcome to our esteemed group then....
Blakesmaster
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"A" year?!?!?! I'm about ready to call my mom and ask her why she bought me "Cat in the Hat" instead of this book. This should be on every 3 year olds library shelf!
oldirty
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hey blakes believe it or not but running that splittail sytem is even better for prunes.
look for the thread "pulley trick for oldirty" ghillie. might be what your looking for.
and mds after watching you screw around in that oak at your shop i know for a fact that the splittail is ten times faster than your taughtline on the same line.
rope you gotta give it a shot before you end up too fat from running the bucket all day.
i know its worked for you in the past but it is definitely the way i would not want ot be taught now adays if i was a newbie. only takes but a couple climbs until you have it down.
i am onto the prussic and hitch climber myself but i would go back to the splittail in a second but never the taughline again!
look for the thread "pulley trick for oldirty" ghillie. might be what your looking for.
and mds after watching you screw around in that oak at your shop i know for a fact that the splittail is ten times faster than your taughtline on the same line.
rope you gotta give it a shot before you end up too fat from running the bucket all day.
i know its worked for you in the past but it is definitely the way i would not want ot be taught now adays if i was a newbie. only takes but a couple climbs until you have it down.
i am onto the prussic and hitch climber myself but i would go back to the splittail in a second but never the taughline again!
Blakesmaster
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Hey, OD, I'm about to go make that piece of line for the self tending method. Out of curiosity, how long should it be and will I be able to foot lock my running end with this method or does that still not work?
ddhlakebound
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Thanks for the pics Tree Chickee, I did a search this morning, but couldn't find the ones previously posted. Thought I was going to have to take a few pics this evening, but you've got it covered.
I'm still chuckling every time I read that....Don't worry man, you're not alone.
I'm still chuckling every time I read that....Don't worry man, you're not alone.
oldirty
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long enough so that you can wrap a prussic around the dead end of your rope with the pulley below your knot.
Blakesmaster
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Cute. So I take it it doesn't matter how far up the working end of my line this ends up being? I just don't want to waste this beautiful, wet clothesline I pulled out of the back of my pickup by making it too long.
ddhlakebound
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I think I'd start around 30 inches so you end up at about 8-12" once you make it a prussic loop, tie the prussic knot, and girth hitch the clip. Once you use it, you may want it a bit longer or a bit shorter, depending on how long your arms and bridge are.
You'll be able to footlock the running end, but it's just so inefficient on ddrt. I still do it too sometimes, but not if I can help it. I'm starting to want gear to climb srt....and learn to footlock efficiently on a 1:1.
Yes oldirty the split tail is much faster, I have tried it as I said, I bought one for cranework. I will contend however that my method with the two half hitches is much safer-think about it, have you ever when using the old saddles, after tying in lean back and find you only hooked one d ring? I think it just slows you down enough to where you have to actually tie onto the d rings-antiquated?? yes. safer??
I footlock with a prusic on both strands have for about 12 years now- if that helps bring me out of the dark ages on this thread, lol. It is super fast once you get good that much is true-but it still sucks/is hard a$$ work. I only do that crap when it makes more sense, usually I'll just six wheel the bucket over all them flowers and F'N yard knomes, lol.
Blakesmaster
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Just got done messing around in the tree out back. Yesterday when I was climbing my split tail was working somewhat effectively but it still wasn't as secure feeling as when I would tie off my climbing line back to itself on the Blakes. Today, I got out there and set up the self tending pulley as shown in the pics above and now neither the tautline or blakes is working effectively. Either it grabs to hard and I have to fight with it to slide up or it doesn't grab enough and after I get it up and rest my weight on it, it slides down. Not a good feeling. I'm not going to give up on this system yet but I'm hesitant to throw more money at another split tail, because I don't know what else I can do at this point. Any ideas?
ddhlakebound
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What rope are you climbing on, and what is your split tail?
The self tending system won't work very effectively on a tautline or blakes. Much more effective on a 8mm cord with double ended split tail, and a VT or Martin. I use Technora, and tie my own split tails with double fishermans.
The self tending system won't work very effectively on a tautline or blakes. Much more effective on a 8mm cord with double ended split tail, and a VT or Martin. I use Technora, and tie my own split tails with double fishermans.
Blakesmaster
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Wow, now you're REALLY starting to get technical on me. I'm not looking for a new climbing line ( just bought one ) and I'm not quite ready to make the jump to the VT but perhaps I can make split tails out of some various ropes and see which one I like best with my climbing line. That's a good idea. BTW, I climb on True Blue Hi Vee 1/2 inch and I'm not positive but my split tail looks to be the same stuff. I'll get some lengths of rope tomorrow and play around a bit.
oldirty
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how much time you got on that new rope? new rope kinda stinks for friction knots.
whats your bridge look like? 1 floating d? 2 floating d's? a rope bridge?
i ask because there are different ways to get around the splittail problem your facing. where are you putting your micro pulley?
truth be told i dont use this method we are talking about (prussic loop to dead end rope).
when i was split tailing i like having the pulley fixed to the split tail that way there wasnt much slop when i would ascend the rope.
go half way out your split tail and put an over hand knot. slide on pulley. overhand knot to lock in the pulley. this should give you enough room on the tail to tie your blakes and stopper knot. adjust to fit your needs. to me this way puts the pulley an inch or two under your knot. when you pull down on your climb line you advance the knot by grabbing the pulley and pushing up.
keep asking q's man. i love to get people away from the old ways. its just so much easier in the tree once you get it down.
by the way keep dressing your blakes as she likes to slide a bit anyway, especially once the splittail itself gets older through use. which at that point means you need a new one.
whats your bridge look like? 1 floating d? 2 floating d's? a rope bridge?
i ask because there are different ways to get around the splittail problem your facing. where are you putting your micro pulley?
truth be told i dont use this method we are talking about (prussic loop to dead end rope).
when i was split tailing i like having the pulley fixed to the split tail that way there wasnt much slop when i would ascend the rope.
go half way out your split tail and put an over hand knot. slide on pulley. overhand knot to lock in the pulley. this should give you enough room on the tail to tie your blakes and stopper knot. adjust to fit your needs. to me this way puts the pulley an inch or two under your knot. when you pull down on your climb line you advance the knot by grabbing the pulley and pushing up.
keep asking q's man. i love to get people away from the old ways. its just so much easier in the tree once you get it down.
by the way keep dressing your blakes as she likes to slide a bit anyway, especially once the splittail itself gets older through use. which at that point means you need a new one.
Ghillie
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Have you tried rigging it without the splittail? Tying your HiVee back on itself just to see if the split tail is the problem (not enough/ too much friction, not supple enough).
I haven't tried the VT, pretty happy with Blake's. But I plan on trying it when I try the self tending pulley set up.
Be safe,
Fred
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treemandan
Tree Freak
Cream... at least I think it is
You know what cream is don't ya?
Sometimes The Dan has trouble figuring out exactly what he wants to do.
See, I need a caddy for that bucket. But anyway to make it short that little set-up will make anybody an overnight sensation... look at me.
You know what cream is don't ya?
Sometimes The Dan has trouble figuring out exactly what he wants to do.
See, I need a caddy for that bucket. But anyway to make it short that little set-up will make anybody an overnight sensation... look at me.
treemandan
Tree Freak
This something one might find handy
ropensaddle
Feel Lucky
Ahh yes, but I find the pain of thrusting and holding with one arm and sliding the hitch delightful I really do. I just wish I could learn to switch sides and hold with my left to strengthen that side of my body. You got the fat thing right, my belly is swelling; more than an inch pinch for sure, I would say my wife is good cook. I sometimes like to climb and sometimes don't but I know what I trust is the tree and rope and don't have to spend 2000.00 extra to do what is no problem even for my fattening azz
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