just drop

[abetterworld]

it sure is.

And I have learned so much in the course of smoking it, .

All I wanted to do was provide an example of where your conscience would play a role in what you charged in regards to the variables involved.

That was the topic of this thread right?

If you feel like your ripping some one off..... maybe you are.

I have been around forestry and land management my entire life.

Bieotch at me like Im taking work away.... when the horrible prison industry we propagate and pay taxes for takes up more and more of the tree work that is available.

I know well what goes into the work, and about extensive overhead as well. I also know that I will not be measured at death by any person or being or entity or what have you, by my bank accounts. At death I will be measured, by my conscience at the least.

I would work every day in my life for free, but I choose not to without a guilty conscience.

 

[jefflovstrom]

Interesting.
Jeff

 

[treevet]

it sure is.

And I have learned so much in the course of smoking it, .

All I wanted to do was provide an example of where your conscience would play a role in what you charged in regards to the variables involved.

That was the topic of this thread right?

If you feel like your ripping some one off..... maybe you are.

I have been around forestry and land management my entire life.

Bieotch at me like Im taking work away.... when the horrible prison industry we propagate and pay taxes for takes up more and more of the tree work that is available.

I know well what goes into the work, and about extensive overhead as well. I also know that I will not be measured at death by any person or being or entity or what have you, by my bank accounts. At death I will be measured, by my conscience at the least.

I would work every day in my life for free, but I choose not to without a guilty conscience.

so what brings you to this professional "Commercial tree care and climbing" forum at this particular time in your life? A bong? :notrolls2:

 

[jefflovstrom]

Or 2 Bongs?
Jeff

 

[teamtree]

Well you proved my point without me having to say anything.

You are a non-profit, charitable organization....I assume.

This is a commericial tree service forum.

Don't get me wrong....helping people out is ok.....but you left that out of your original post. Little details make a big difference.

You can play your reindeer games on this site for so long, then it gets annoying.

Stick to your "saw work" and have a good life.

 

[tree md]

the guy was 85 and didn't have $1300, so if I didn't do it, it probably wouldn't have gotten done. He gets his SS every month and was screwed out of a pension. Its 20 degrees at night here, and him and his wife were almost out of firewood. cost me $145 to do the job, that's what I charged. Aside from harness ropes etc. I didn't need any additional equipment or climbing gear. This was by no means a commercial operation. You assume too much. It was my day off, and a couple friends stood around stacking firewood and working splitter. Besides, his birthday is on Monday.

So WTF are you doing posting on a commercial tree care forum???

This is not the ask Joe Firewood forum. Please keep your amateur advice in the homeowner forums where it belongs.

To the OP: I usually charge a minimum of one hour billing just to show up at $125. Sometimes I'll charge $100 to drop an easy one if it is just me and I'm feeling generous (or hungry).

I have to prune 2 small limbs (twigs really) off of the shingles at a commercial property that I take care of this week. Maybe 15 minutes work and a total hour drive to and from. Guess what I am charging??? You got it $125, an hour billing for 15 minutes on site. The property manager and HOA didn't bat an eye at my price, they know that $125 is my minimum.

 

[treeslayer]

So WTF are you doing posting on a commercial tree care forum???

This is not the ask Joe Firewood forum. Please keep your amateur advice in the homeowner forums where it belongs.

:agree2: I vote we make you a mod, and you clean this forum up.
WAY too many clown posts.
at least butch polices the dumb#### on his site.

 

[tree md]

:agree2: I vote we make you a mod, and you clean this forum up.
WAY too many clown posts.
at least butch polices the dumb#### on his site.

I am definitely not mod material but thanks for the vote of confidence.

To tell the truth I don't like being rude to people but it just irks me when they belittle our trade with the "anyone can do it" mentality. It's insulting to me. And it really irks me for an amateur or HO to try to tell me what my work is worth.

I mean our friend Joe Firewood in this thread commented on the storm chasing thread with his vast experience of doing storm work in California... News flash: not much storm work in the mild climate of CA Einstein. At least not like in the hurricane zones. He's never seen storm devastated areas when local governments and citizens are asking for out of state help. In storms that large local services are overwhelmed. This is not something that I am drawing conclusions about or something I have read about; this is what I have experienced first hand.

You know, I have changed a water pump on a vehicle, I've even swapped out a motor before; do you think I would go on a professional auto mechanic site and tell them how to do what they do or what to charge on their job sheet? That would be ludicrous. Likewise, I have installed Windows before, installed anti virus and setup my own home network; do you think I would go on an IT or professional computer programming site and try to tell them how to set up a secure network or do some programming??? NOT.

I just don't get it. Where do people get the idea that since they have dropped a tree or climbed one and pieced it out with their wild thing on their own property that it gives them the qualification to come to a professional, commercial tree forum and tell the pros how to do it and what to charge??? :crazy1:

 

[Tree Pig]

it sure is.

And I have learned so much in the course of smoking it, .

All I wanted to do was provide an example of where your conscience would play a role in what you charged in regards to the variables involved.

That was the topic of this thread right?

If you feel like your ripping some one off..... maybe you are.

I have been around forestry and land management my entire life.

Bieotch at me like Im taking work away.... when the horrible prison industry we propagate and pay taxes for takes up more and more of the tree work that is available.

I know well what goes into the work, and about extensive overhead as well. I also know that I will not be measured at death by any person or being or entity or what have you, by my bank accounts. At death I will be measured, by my conscience at the least.

I would work every day in my life for free, but I choose not to without a guilty conscience.

Where would the old guy be with his SS check if you screwed up and dropped one on his house, or on yourself. I think everyone here would respect your intent, but as many have pointed out wrong forum for it.

 

[tree md]

Where would the old guy be with his SS check if you screwed up and dropped one on his house, or on yourself. I think everyone here would respect your intent, but as many have pointed out wrong forum for it.

I was doing storm work in my own community after a catastrophic storm and was chastised by a local for not volunteering my services. He told me that a lot of the locals were meeting up at the church to go out and volunteer their time to take care of the elderly and less fortunates' storm damage and implied that I should be doing the same. I told him that it was great that they were easing the work load by doing yard cleanup and relieving the tree services of the time consuming work of cleaning up debris. Told him that it would help with getting the power back on and allow the pros to concentrate on the technical work of removing the trees from structures. I also told him that this is my livelihood and could not afford to do my job for free anymore than he could. I wouldn't expect an auto worker to go build cars for free or a police officer or firefighter to do their jobs for free. I do do some charity work but for who, where and when is my business.

 

[Blakesmaster]

You know, I have changed a water pump on a vehicle, I've even swapped out a motor before; do you think I would go on a professional auto mechanic site and tell them how to do what they do or what to charge on their job sheet? That would be ludicrous. Likewise, I have installed Windows before, installed anti virus and setup my own home network; do you think I would go on an IT or professional computer programming site and try to tell them how to set up a secure network or do some programming??? NOT.

Excellent analogy and beautiful ####ing post, md. Would rep you if I could.

 

[TheJollyLogger]

Wow, did he hijack this thread! My point was that we do a very technical job, and don't get any second chances. If a plumber screws up my plumbing ( at $125 an hour ) he can come back and fix it. If I screw up and drop an "easy" tree on his house, I can't exactly take it back. So why shouldn't my years of hard work, experience, and equipment merit similar compensation?

 

[jefflovstrom]

Where did he go? He did not stay around or respond. I smell something. Ew.
Jeff