Oh no?
How about cars, TVs, radios, cameras, fiber optics?
All that stuff started here and was copied by the Japs.
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Oh no?
How about cars, TVs, radios, cameras, fiber optics?
All that stuff started here and was copied by the Japs.
Lakeside53
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That's just not my recollection of the 60's and 70's emergence of Japanese manufacturing.
I don't recall the jap cars being knock offs, in fact I remember them being quite different from the American muscle cars in the 60's and 70's. Just wait, Chinese cars will be here in a year or two. I have visions of less than early Kia but better than a Yugo or Trabant.
Fiber optics was researched around the world. Alot of was done in the US but the Japanese and other countries are quite capable researchers in some areas:
How much original design goes into a radio?
Again with photography the history does not start here:
I don't remember the Japanese sets being knock offs, but I do remember Zenith, GE and RCA sets going down the tubes in quality. To the point where they could not beat the japanese sets in quality.
My point is that the Japanese have brought their own innovations to the market. They were once thought of as the land of cheap goods as was Taiwan/Singapore and now China, not necessarily knock-offs although I am sure there were some. But they did innovate on their own as can be seen by the quality of their products in many areas. The japanese did not get where they are by staying cheap, they won by being the best quality value in their markets. You can see the Koreans doing the same, not quite there but they are doing well.
The Chinese on the other hand are doing the cheap product/labor route but they are not simultaneously innovating on their own. They are buying that innovation through American and other companies. They are not protecting the IPR of others. Their steel is crap. They lie. I have seen a few similar letters in different market areas. They all compare themselves to quality manufacturers but you know they are crap.
I don't recall the Japanese knocking one of our reconaissance planes out of the sky in international airspace, holding our crew hostage and shipping the plane back to us in pieces and charging us airport fees. No apology for the behavior of their pilot. I don't recall an apology for the recent pet food poisonings. I see alot of third world opportunists. We'll just have to wait and see how they evolve.
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Just look under some of those 70's and early 80's Japanese cars. I'm familiar with Datsuns. Miniature GM suspensions. The Datsun A series engine came from the MG Midget/Austin Healey Sprite that's why you can bolt a Datsun trans to a Spridget. And Honda didn't invent front wheel drive.
Currently, go look at a Nissan Titan and tell me they weren't looking at the Ford F150.
The 2004 Titan does look similar to the 2004 F-150, but how would Nissan have got the look of the F-150 before it was released? Personally I think both the trucks look ugly compared to the beauty in my avatar.
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The 2004 Titan does look similar to the 2004 F-150, but how would Nissan have got the look of the F-150 before it was released? Personally I think both the trucks look ugly compared to the beauty in my avatar.
They do look alike. I was going by what one of my friends that bought the Titan told me. He drove all the trucks and bought the Titan because his wife worked for Nissan and he got a good deal. His comment didn't particuliarly pertain to the look but the whole truck.
I noticed that their chainsaw engines run on a 25:1 mix. How long has it been since 25:1 was the recommended mix on decent 2 strokes?
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Could be that they are using crappy base stock for their oil use????
Perhaps as their technology in the area increases they will recommend 50:1 like the rest of the civilized world.
Or, the saws are complete crap, and need that much oil in the mix to not fly apart.
Chuck
Perhaps as their technology in the area increases they will recommend 50:1 like the rest of the civilized world.
Or, the saws are complete crap, and need that much oil in the mix to not fly apart.
Chuck
I am not a mechanic in any way. If you say the engineering was a knockoff then I would have to defer to you 
. What I do believe is that the Japanese put together an entirely different package than the US manufacturers did. The only cars I can think of that were equivalent to the small jap box economy cars were Hornets, Chevelles, Gremlins, Pacers and Pintos. They just did not compare to the styling, reliability and price of the Japanese cars, even back then. The Korean and Chinese cars are cheaper but they don't have the reliability, although I think the Koreans are rising.
Point was that there is a fine line between copying and not reinventing the wheel. I don't see China inventing anything as of yet except for a buy your market share on steroids plan. They have a long way to go until they can be an economic power as other than a people and widget shop.
Unfortunately/fortunately the Japanese are retrying their grab at the large truck market. Bad because they are doing better this time. Not the equivalent full on iron that Detroit can build but they are doing it smarter and with their reliability. I had to dump my Chevy P/U because it was too expensive to maintain. I can't tell you how disappointed I was to have to do that. Fortunately this is another opportunity for Detroit to step up, solve their long term debt issues, fix their cars and be competitive. Unfortunately, history is not on their side.
Anyway, everyone has their opinion on the matter and there probably is not a lot of difference in those opinions when the minutiae is left aside.
I wanted to buy a small axe the other day. Lowes has their Kobalt brand with a proud, bold sticker saying American grown hickory handle. Yeah...the head is crappy Chinese tool steel. Same thing with my Razorback edger I bought and another manufacturers scraper. All the tool steel is Chinese. I want to throw the crap away, but I can't find a manufacturer that gets other than poor quality Chinese steel.
. What I do believe is that the Japanese put together an entirely different package than the US manufacturers did. The only cars I can think of that were equivalent to the small jap box economy cars were Hornets, Chevelles, Gremlins, Pacers and Pintos. They just did not compare to the styling, reliability and price of the Japanese cars, even back then. The Korean and Chinese cars are cheaper but they don't have the reliability, although I think the Koreans are rising.Point was that there is a fine line between copying and not reinventing the wheel. I don't see China inventing anything as of yet except for a buy your market share on steroids plan. They have a long way to go until they can be an economic power as other than a people and widget shop.
Unfortunately/fortunately the Japanese are retrying their grab at the large truck market. Bad because they are doing better this time. Not the equivalent full on iron that Detroit can build but they are doing it smarter and with their reliability. I had to dump my Chevy P/U because it was too expensive to maintain. I can't tell you how disappointed I was to have to do that. Fortunately this is another opportunity for Detroit to step up, solve their long term debt issues, fix their cars and be competitive. Unfortunately, history is not on their side.
Anyway, everyone has their opinion on the matter and there probably is not a lot of difference in those opinions when the minutiae is left aside.
I wanted to buy a small axe the other day. Lowes has their Kobalt brand with a proud, bold sticker saying American grown hickory handle. Yeah...the head is crappy Chinese tool steel. Same thing with my Razorback edger I bought and another manufacturers scraper. All the tool steel is Chinese. I want to throw the crap away, but I can't find a manufacturer that gets other than poor quality Chinese steel.
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brian660
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chinese steel isn`t near as bad as you think, in fact lately they`ve been producing a more consistent product then north america, would I prefer to support american steel? of course I would but when all a supplier has is foreign steel thats what I get to work with.
alot of other chinese exports are total crap though.
alot of other chinese exports are total crap though.
I did not like the steel when I looked at it, I found the China markings later. I have not seen US steel lately and I don't know if I will given the state of US steel. I agree, you don't always get a choice.
Seems like more and more, all the products at big box stores are Chinese. I did find/buy a small Fiskar hand axe at lowes a while ago. Chinese are big funders or Sudanese govt. (Darfur) That is another HUGE difference between Japanese and Chinese
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