KISS mentality for throw line...

[fiddlesaw]

I am just curious what some of you guys do that have been climbing for years and years... I have the hardest time keeping my throwline from turning into a friggin pain. Seems everytime I use it I end up with a tangled mess. Rope I can deal with. Any of you guys work out a killer solution, oh, apply the K.I.S.S. logic, I am not the brightest bulb on the block.


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[iain]

Use A Ladder (k.i.s.s)
i have seen an alloy lockable pole sections work well
also a big shot catapult

 

[NickfromWI]

Fiddlesaw, for us to help you, it might help if you tell us what you do now, and we can modify what you're doing.

I keep my 1.75mm Zing-It flaked in a faltheimer cube. Never have a problem.

love
nick

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Everyonce and a while you get a birdsnest with throwline no matter how carefull you are.

I use one of those high priced cubes and keep a piece of cloth on top so it does not flip on it'self when closing.

I know guys who take the extra time to carefully stack/spool the line in a pouch
..put it in a bucket and place a disk over it so it does not flip on itself in transport

With the small (not tiny, my hands do not fit into the "mugs") pouches I've found that if you use a consistant "stuff length" that varies with cord and pouch you minimize the odd loop back in the stach that causes it all to come out at once and birdsnest.

And for while throwing, try raking before hand to get the twigs out of the way, or using a tarp to flake the line onto as you are isolating the working end.

when moving a line allways flake it form spot to spot, never pick it up enmaas, bu then anyone who has usually only does that once I hate it when a groundie does that for me, which is why it never is out of the cube when I'm not using it.

 

[Treeman14]

OK, here is the best and fastest way I've found to gather up a throw line. Clip a small carabiner onto your shirt collar right under your chin. Run the line through that biner and then just flake the line into a small bag or bucket while you're kneeling on the ground. Just hand over hand into the bucket, its really quick and then just deploy it right from the bucket. Don't try to take it out first or unwrap it.

 

[NickfromWI]

I use one of those high priced cubes and keep a piece of cloth on top so it does not flip on it'self when closing.

JP- I think we're using the same high-priced cube. The first action of the closing is that you twist the top and squish it down onto the bottom. This should sandwich the line between top and bottom of the cube, so when you fold it in half, the line won't slide around in there.

Have you had prob's with this in the past?

lov
enic

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

I tried everything, and started putting an old pouch in and it reduced birdsnesting dramaticly.

 

[TimberMcPherson]

OK, here is the best and fastest way I've found to gather up a throw line. Clip a small carabiner onto your shirt collar right under your chin. Run the line through that biner and then just flake the line into a small bag or bucket while you're kneeling on the ground. Just hand over hand into the bucket, its really quick and then just deploy it right from the bucket. Don't try to take it out first or unwrap it.

Hey thats great, I have tried doing it over my shoulder but that should work much better, Thanks!

 

[Ekka]

I use one of those big 12" hand fishing spools, can twist the line a bit but I just peel off about 20' of line loose by the tree, spool under the tree (right way around) and go for it with either a hand throw or big shot, just like fishing the line just peels off ...

... but every now and then I catch a snag!

Then you just wind in your catch!

 

[Jim1NZ]

JP- I think we're using the same high-priced cube. The first action of the closing is that you twist the top and squish it down onto the bottom. This should sandwich the line between top and bottom of the cube, so when you fold it in half, the line won't slide around in there.

Have you had prob's with this in the past?

lov
enic

Yea i have this cube and its brilliant! I also use zing-it throw line the same as nick. Get a tangle about 1 in 20 times i use my throwball, mostly because its been sitting in the bag for ages. Its so fast and easy with a cube especially feeding back into the cube4 once i have used it, no stuffing into a little bag or winding up.
I found throwball line will always gets tangled when you coil it.

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

Never have a problem.

love
nick

LIAR!

 

[Tree Machine]

Be nice. It's like my wife saying "You're ALWAYS this and you're NEVER that." Now if Nick had written 'NEVER' in all caps, it would probably mean 'never', as in 'never'.

The way it's written, never is sort aof a variable never, like most of the time never.

 

[Tree Machine]

I use a shotline reel and I NEVER EVER have a problem. I shoot directly off the reel, and it reels back on very, I mean VERY quickly.

I tried the cube method, though I got the cheeepie version at WalMart. I'd committed to using it for 6 months to give it a fair trial. I got tangles twice in the first three days, it was much slower than the reel and it took up a lot of space in the truck. You don't dare tip it up sideways for storage. It passed the 'truck running over it' test without a problem, but only if it's folded flat.

I had to give it up after the third day. I just didn't think it had anything else to offer. I'm sorry I didn't follow through with the trial, but basically, it flunked.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

TM,

Can you give a better description of the shotline reel? Link or pics? How much line can you fit on the spool?

When the inventor of the Faltmeier [sp?] Cube was perfecting the design he made MANY versions. I've got one of the prototypes that a friend brought back from Germany several years ago. This was before they were released. My Cube is just starting to show a little wear. The stiffeners have poked out of the corners in a couple of places. Not a big deal and it'll be easy to fix too.

The Cube is expensive compared to the others but it does perform better. Setting the "value" mark is up to the user.

If I haven't used the throwline but I've moved it many times I strip out and reflake the line before I try a critical, long shot. Otherwise I'm likely to have snarls. The longer throwlines sit without being used the more opportunities the "Inter-dimensional Creatures" have to step in and make a mess.

 

[Tree Machine]

Actually, I was going to bring it up on treebuzz, since a thread opened for it there. Glen pointed out an issue, which after showing him in person, multiple times that this issue is a non-issue, he still makes it an issue.

I was unable to successfully log in, so I didn't post.

I want to share this fully with you guys, as I have done at least 20 prototypes over the last 5 or 6 years and tried all different kinds of line on it. Anyone I've talked to with business or legal sense says "Don't 'give' your ideas away. Get it patented, protect your intellectual property".

They say if I share it openly, there's a chance that someone can 'steal' my idea and i may have no recourse.

For instance, I created dual handled ascenders out of two CMI's over two years before Kong came out with their's. I showed them my working deal at the North Carolina TCI expo 7 years ago. The next year, at the Indianapolis TCI Expo, guess what? Kong comes out with their dual Handled ascenders.

At that same show, Tobe introduced the BigShot. It was so far advance over the prototype I was working on, I didn't even say anything about it. However, I gave him a couple pair of these new rubber-palmed, what I called 'Ugly Gloves'. They credited me with a quote I provided, and they've kept the same quote in their catalog ever since and still to this day. I never asked for anything but credit, so they credited me and went on to sell thousands of pairs. I'm OK with that. It's helped an amazing number of arborists climb with much better control and precision.

The shotline reel is another one of those ideas that will, after all my diligent prototype creation and field testing, could be sucked away while I sleep. At the same time, if I don't share, no one other than myself will gain the benefit.

This sucks. Tell me what to do. Yes I have a link to view the reel. I have video. Tell me what do.

 

[tophopper]

TM, Ive seen exactly what you speak of, when the rope guide was new to the scene, I fashioned one out of cordage so I could have one. The RG wasnt even available yet, but it had been seen at the ITCC by many, and everyone wanted one. I made my own and within one year the same thing was in sherrills catalog. I guess no big deal, I just took someones idea and simplified it and made it for much cheaper. I did post a pic here at that time (bout 3 years ago).

Reagarding 2 handled ascenders, they've been around longer than you think

 

[Tree Machine]

The dual handles, even though the internet wasn't what it is now, I searched the universe and didn't come up with anything; not to say they didn't exist, I just couldn't source them, so I had to create them. They were awesome, just as the Kongs are now.

I posted a picture of the reel on AS over a year ago. At the TCI Expo Baltimore a few years ago, I brought in a slickline reel and showed it to Tobe at the Sherrill booth, asked that he treat this as my original idea, not to be exploited. I respect his integrity for doing the right thing. That's good business.

I like your rope guide, by the way, Hoptopper.

 

[tophopper]

I like your rope guide, by the way, Hoptopper.

Thanks, if you want one Sherrill sells em. Member you saw it here first though

 

[pantheraba]

when the rope guide was new to the scene, I fashioned one out of cordage so I could have one.

I have looked at your picture of your rope guide but cannot figure out how to use it...what does it do? I searched "rope guide"...WAY too many hits, none that seemed to address the RG function. Thanks.

 

[jason j ladue]

NEVER tangles...just undo the end and start pullin'.