KISS mentality for throw line...

[NickfromWI]

LIAR!

A tangle is not a problem. One in 20 sounds about right. A problem is when it tangles daily.

love
nick

 

[hobby climber]

Re: paten...

A simple way to ensure that you can prove that you are the one who came up with the idea first is this: Take all of your written ideas , sketches, photos and if you can...a prototype of a working unit or model. Package it all up and then send it to yourself by "REGISTERED MAIL"!!! Trick is to not open it till you have to go to court and prove its your idea. If someone else steals the idea after you mailed it to yourself...they are out of luck because you had yours in a time casual so to speak. .... Re: through line, ever see a line tamer???(sold by Sherrill)! HC

 

[NickfromWI]

Hobby climber, I've heard that idea before, and it makes sense. But does the court protect the person who comes up with the idea first, or the person who comes up with the patent first?

I doubt the mail thing would work, or else the patent office (and all the fees associated with trying to get something patented) would be a useless waste of time.

love
nick

 

[tophopper]

I keep my throwlines, my ascent line, and all my ascending hardware in 3 rope bags all stacked up in one another for one package. The throwline is stored in the bottom then the static on top and hardware ontop of the static.
It is heavy, but i have everything for ascent ready to go.

 

[NickfromWI]

Tophopper, why not store the throwline on top, since that's what you'll need first when you get to the base of the tree.

 

[tophopper]

cuz it stays put on the bottom with all the rope and gear atop it. No chance for tangles even if i dump the bag over or it gets mishandled. Either way, everything comes out if I use the throwline.

 

[jason j ladue]

hey hopper of tops, what is that black line?

 

[tophopper]

The black line is a 7/16" Bluewater static line

 

[pantheraba]

education?

Still can't figure out the rope guide...slack tender, gillygoofang lanyard??!!

How's 'bout some edumication?

 

[jason j ladue]

The black line is a 7/16" Bluewater static line

what's it for? where'd you get it? i never heard of it. is it blue, or black. kinda cool lookin'...

 

[tophopper]

what's it for? where'd you get it? i never heard of it. is it blue, or black. kinda cool lookin'...

uhh.ok- It is used for ascending into the tree on. It is a static line so there is almost no stretch(only suitable for applications where you're not subject to a dynamic fall), I bought it at REI. It is a black rope made by Bluewater. It is comparable to the PM static line from sherrill.

 

[tophopper]

Still can't figure out the rope guide...slack tender, gillygoofang lanyard??!!

How's 'bout some edumication?

Im trying to find you some online illustrations to make it easy for you.
(and me)
hold tight

 

[tophopper]

here a photo from art's site.

 

[pantheraba]

here a photo from art's site.

Thanks much for the effort...now, please explain a little...is that some kind of false crotch/pulley for ascending (pulley looks kind of dinky for that)...what is happening in the picture?

What is the site it came from?

 

[Ekka]

You got it, it's a false crotch for your high line/lifeline. Has a pulley, very smooth ... and here's the best part, retrievable from the ground etc.

Now they just need to come up with one for your lowering rope so you don't have to climb up there to get that pulley off either.

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

The shotline reel is another one of those ideas that will, after all my diligent prototype creation and field testing, could be sucked away while I sleep. At the same time, if I don't share, no one other than myself will gain the benefit.

This sucks. Tell me what to do. Yes I have a link to view the reel. I have video. Tell me what do.

Are you talking about a device that looks like an open line fishing reel, like they've been selling with big shots for years? Or is your idea completely different?

 

[pantheraba]

You got it, it's a false crotch for your high line/lifeline. Has a pulley, very smooth ... and here's the best part, retrievable from the ground etc.

Now they just need to come up with one for your lowering rope so you don't have to climb up there to get that pulley off either.

Ekka, thanks for the explanation/confirmation. Now I can stop spinning my eyes around in my head and appreciate how it works.

Have a good day "down under".

Tophopper, thanks for the picture...you guys are expanding my brain (insert picture of squirrelly eyed icon exploding).

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Now they just need to come up with one for your lowering rope so you don't have to climb up there to get that pulley off either.

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If you size the components correctly you can apply this idea to a rigging false crotch. I've got a ring on ring FC that's only used for rigging. The loads are well within the safety factors of the FC. With beefier components the FC can be scaled up accordingly.

 

[Tree Machine]

Are you talking about a device that looks like an open line fishing reel, like they've been selling with big shots for years? Or is your idea completely different?

It doesn't look like a fishing reel, other than it's a reel. Much bigger diameter, though, and no mechanical parts, per se.

I probably get all the catalogs you get, Mike. I go to trade shows. I've been looking. However, mebbe I haven't looked everywhere. The concept is very simple and it surprises me I haven't seen one yet. Maybe there is. You would have to lead me to that source.

It's a very KISS product. I've gone ahead and sent it to myself certified mail. My attaorney has dialled me into an intellectual property attorney. I e-mailed her and introduced myself a few weeks ago, but have failed in my follow-up. I have this subtle fear that meeting with her will net no results on the first meeting, but I will pay her fee, and at the same time lose the income I would have earned had I been out doing trees. This translates into numbers that add up fast.

If it were a product with some high profit margin and/or a huge market it would be worth going this direction, but it is a relatively low margin product with essentially only arborists, which is a small matrket on the overall scale of things, and only a fraction of that market as potential buyers.

Then there's the fact that I've never profited a penny from my relationship with you guys; just straight-up contribution and learning. If I were to sell something, that relationship would change, mebbe for the better, who knows? And all at the same time, I resist just handing off the product for someone else's profit motive.

I hate keeping secrets from my brothers. Tell me what to do.

 

[Jim1NZ]

You got it, it's a false crotch for your high line/lifeline. Has a pulley, very smooth ... and here's the best part, retrievable from the ground etc.

Now they just need to come up with one for your lowering rope so you don't have to climb up there to get that pulley off either.

How about ...
Get a rated rigging sling, hitch it off on your pulley or use a carabina, and clip a carabina to the other end of the sling.
When you install your retrievable lowering set up, loop it around the trunk or branch to stop it sliding at all. Feed the lowering rope through the pulley then through the carabina on the other end of the sling.
Then simply put a knot in the end of the lowering line.
The only thing is its not adjustable!
(Works just like a retrievable redirect)