Ladder, tree work, fatal accident

[fishercat]

i don't like them either.

Sorry but I hate insurance freaking schemers.

i wouldn't get much work without proof of it.i hope it works IF i ever need it.strange,i'm just as careful with it as i was without it.

 

[ropensaddle]

i wouldn't get much work without proof of it.i hope it works IF i ever need it.strange,i'm just as careful with it as i was without it.

Yup never a claim but file one and I guaranty you will be dropped like a hot stone.

 

[treemandan]

it's obvious you don't do tree work.

Maybe he is saying that because he does tree work he is a moron? Makes sense does it not?

I agree the guy was being a moron for using the ladder like that and biting off more than he could chew though its just not nice to call a dead guy a moron but obviously people who aren't morons do die but usually not like that.

" The Ladder Syndrome" its a #####. RIP

 

[jomoco]

A ladder is a tool like any other tool. Every major tree firm I've ever subbed to uses them in one way or another, particularly fruit tree specialists.

I just finished a job for a high end client that did not want his coco palms gaffed to trim them. I used a 40 foot fiberglass extension ladder with my groundies stabilizing it until I got up top and tied it to the tree securely.

The queen palms came out looking fantastic and very stately looking, and if I had queens myself I would use the same method to trim them.

I'd bet that there are far more professional treecare companies that have and use ladders in one way or another than companies without them.

Used properly they are a fantastic tree industry tool.

jomoco

 

[clearance]

Ladders are to be placed against things which offer a flat, not rounded surface.
They are to be placed against things which cannot move.
Thus, they have no place in treework.

Sorry for this man, and for the many others who have been killed or hurt bad due to the misuse of ladders.

 

[Sunrise Guy]

You just made me angry you mentioned insurance, my provider is talking of canceling me. I paid them sobs in full in july for the year then they pulled the audit bs and want 800 more that I don't have. ####ing pricks I told them if they can't wait a while after receiving 4 k and putting me in the poor house that they better give me all my money back. I am tired of all the vultures surrounding our industry picking away anything you may possibly profit some on.

My insurance provider was sold. Under some law, the new company has to carry me this year. After that, I was told that the tree business is too hazardous for them to insure. I have NEVER filed a claim, never been late with a payment. Each year my premiums went up. I HATE insurance companies. I would like to see the US offer a government health insurance program just to spite those mega-wealthy insurance companies. Now, if only the government would offer a program to insure our profession. I honestly don't know who I'll get coverage with, next year. The guy with the full-page TCIA ad got in touch with me, after I called him, and he was so unprofessional and robot-like, on the phone, that I could never see myself giving him my business. This may get difficult. If I can't find a provider, I can't stay in business. It's really that simple.

 

[treeclimber101]

What a shame reminds me of the article in the TCIA mag about two yrs ago where the man was climbing a tree using ladders than advancing them further up the tree lashing them to the trunk and climbing higher , a tree service drove by and offered to finish pruning the tree free of charge so the man wouldn't injure himself crazy HUH..

 

[lego1970]

That's ashame. I understand where you are going with it, but I don't agree with calling him a moron. He made a judgement error and sadly it cost him his life. No different then a car wreck were somebody makes a bad move.

On the subject of ladders, I've never worked for a company that didn't have and use them frequently. Most of the time the ladder is just used for gaining access to the first limbs, but occasionaly cutting is performed off the ladder. Having said that, I hate ladders except for getting up into a Honey locust.

 

[fishercat]

sounds like you need an Insurance Broker.

My insurance provider was sold. Under some law, the new company has to carry me this year. After that, I was told that the tree business is too hazardous for them to insure. I have NEVER filed a claim, never been late with a payment. Each year my premiums went up. I HATE insurance companies. I would like to see the US offer a government health insurance program just to spite those mega-wealthy insurance companies. Now, if only the government would offer a program to insure our profession. I honestly don't know who I'll get coverage with, next year. The guy with the full-page TCIA ad got in touch with me, after I called him, and he was so unprofessional and robot-like, on the phone, that I could never see myself giving him my business. This may get difficult. If I can't find a provider, I can't stay in business. It's really that simple.

i will look for the name of my company and PM you.

 

[Koa Man]

I use a ladder almost every day in tree work. I like to use a 12 ft. straight ladder which will get me to the first crotch on most trees here. I do however, almost always have my climbing line in place before climbing the ladder. I consider that ladder a tremendous energy saver. It is also useful if I need to get on the roof of the house.

 

[tree MDS]

You are a moron.

I was in a bad mood that day...but still I stand by what I said, mostly because I was trying to make a point is all.

And yes, I may be a moron..what of it?? punk.

 

[turnkey4099]

I wonder how many times you people see someone using a ladder to cut from and start hammering about it without considering the circumstances. Many senior citizens only have 2 choices. Do it themselves or leave it undone. They cannot afford your services.

Harry K

 

[tree MDS]

I wonder how many times you people see someone using a ladder to cut from and start hammering about it without considering the circumstances. Many senior citizens only have 2 choices. Do it themselves or leave it undone. They cannot afford your services.

Harry K

Yes, and it is all too often when Darwin steps in to lend a hand.

 

[fishercat]

how would they know if they don't call.

I wonder how many times you people see someone using a ladder to cut from and start hammering about it without considering the circumstances. Many senior citizens only have 2 choices. Do it themselves or leave it undone. They cannot afford your services.

Harry K

i have helped many people that were in a tough spot.i understand life is rough for some folks.not to mention being a good person is just the right thing to do.

you have to call me first though.i cannot help you if i don't know you have a problem.

now if you have an Obama sign in your yard or bumper sticker on your car,you are on your own.

 

[woodguy105]

I was in a bad mood that day...but still I stand by what I said, mostly because I was trying to make a point is all.

And yes, I may be a moron..what of it?? punk.

My point being...he lost his life...dead could have had a family, kids, a wife.

Yes, those of us "non-tree workers" may take chances and do dumb things.

Like you Mike I had a hair across my arse when I read your post. I think I was chatting with the wife about taxes, politicians and and stimulus money that has gone the way of the dodo bird, but that's another post on another thread.

I know safety is key and you guys get nickel and dimmed to death by your customers and probably lose business because people are either cheap or stupid or both.

And yes, I may be a moron..what of it?? punk. ..
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tree MDS woodguy105

 

[tree MDS]

My point being...he lost his life...dead could have had a family, kids, a wife.

Yes, those of us "non-tree workers" may take chances and do dumb things.

Like you Mike I had a hair across my arse when I read your post. I think I was chatting with the wife about taxes, politicians and and stimulus money that has gone the way of the dodo bird, but that's another post on another thread.

I know safety is key and you guys get nickel and dimmed to death by your customers and probably lose business because people are either cheap or stupid or both.

And yes, I may be a moron..what of it?? punk. ..
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tree MDS woodguy105

Lol.

Its all good!

 

[ropensaddle]

You gonna let him talk to you like that:monkey: :hmm3grin2orange:

 

[woodguy105]

it's obvious you don't do tree work.

What I do or don't do has nothing to do with it. My response is the same regardless of my profession. A little respect for a dead guy is all I'm saying....

 

[pdqdl]

Nobody seems to have discovered why the guy had a head injury, only that he died from one.

It could very well be that he dropped a limb on his head, and the fall was incidental. He might also have had a stroke or fainted, and simply fell off.

The ladder is not the cause of the problem, it was the lack of PPE and properly securing himself that was the apparent problem. Quit blaming ladders.

You might as well blame trees or chainsaws.

 

[ropensaddle]

Nobody seems to have discovered why the guy had a head injury, only that he died from one.

It could very well be that he dropped a limb on his head, and the fall was incidental. He might also have had a stroke or fainted, and simply fell off.

The ladder is not the cause of the problem, it was the lack of PPE and properly securing himself that was the apparent problem. Quit blaming ladders.

You might as well blame trees or chainsaws.

Yup ladders are just tools and properly used provide efficient means of getting to tip.
I use them from time to time, no different than any other tool in the shed you got to use your head.