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Another thing to consider is the market for tree services anymore.

Suppose you go and get all your certs to be an arborist, insured, worker comp, nice equipment and charge a reasonable amount. You give an estimate of $1500 for a removal and the homeowner calls some hack with no certs, no insurance, no workers comp, a piece of $hit truck and trailer. He give them an estimate of $650, guess who's gonna get the job? Not you. People don't care about anything other than the price.

Its hard to compete with hacks these days unless you have a proven business with excellent ratings and lots of referral to do residential, and even the its tough sometimes.
 
'Cause it sucks.
No, seriously.. There's not a whole lot of reason you CAN'T or SHOULDN'T. There's just a LOT more to it than "tree trimming".
These guys have just seen a thousand of these threads.. And I think, frankly, it insults them to some degree. Most guys sink everything thing they've got mentally,physically, financially into this business. The great guys have a passion for it. I thirst to learn that will never go away.
So for some to see guys come around acting as if its no big deal.. Asking what gear to buy so they can get climbing right away and "line their pockets", it pisses them off. We all have egos, and they bruise easy.

That being said.. I know you have to start somewhere, we all did. So what you're getting is.. It's kinda of like tough love.. With a pinch of " **** off" for flavor.

Okay.. So.. What do you want to know?

Edit: it was said better above.

First off, I want to really thank you for replying to my post and being respectful in the manner of understanding that I am really trying to gain advice to which could better me when trying to get started. I mean no disrespect to any of the guys on these threads but like you said we all have to start somewhere. I really am trying to gain some advice, tips, and imspiration from people who have been in this business and would have liked to have known certain things when starting out that could potentially help me in the long run as I begin this journey.

As someone who understands the hard, strenuous work that needs to be put into tree servicing, despite the fact I know more about logging, it takes a lot of heart, time, energy, money, and commitment to make a business in this industry successful. I may just be a young gun, but I do have the utmost respect for people who make it in this business. It's not easy stuff. I may have seemed forward saying how I am looking to get started and what should I buy, but in reality I need to know what I'm really getting into. I've done some research and put a good majority of my time these past several weeks into taking notes and preparing myself when the time comes and I'm ready to jump into this; until then I am looking to get experience from those who know what they're doing and advice that could help avoid issues in the beginning stages of starting my business.

So in the end I want to find out, on a more personal level from the pros, what all goes into starting a business like this? What are the steps I need to take to start my business with a bang that could potentially lead to success? Is there any books I should read into or site I should visit if understand the finances or business aspects of the tree service industry? What are some good contacts to have and keep as I move through the process? Should I start buying into equipment now and how much should I expect to own when beginning? Are there certifications and things I need to have when going into this? What kind of laws do I need to live by... It's these sorts of questions that, sure a website can answer, but if there are ways to get into this industry to where I can be fully prepared for any curves or have a small piece of business advice that could launch my tree service business beyond what I expect then I am looking to get all the advice I can get. I know that I am a hard worker and I know that it's going to take a lot of energy both mentally, physically, and emotionally but I am willing to put everything I got into this. I have passion for being around trees and a want to have that feeling and adrenaline rush as the tree falls. It's something I live for and I know by working in this industry I will be happy going to work therefore won't actually be working a day in my life. I don't need to be a millionaire I just need to get my life situated to where I love my job and can proceed to do other things that I enjoy with the money I could potentially make from this. I don't expect to make money right away by any means, that would be foolish. I do hope to grow and make this my life to where I will have the success I want within the industry.

So hopefully that all makes sense to you and if you could help me out on any level whether it be experience, advice, tips of the trade, books, anything I am willing to learn and expand my knowledge!
 
Lay a couple of bigger limbs down first, then stack the smaller stuff on top of that,, you can use the bigger limbs as handles. Now drag them off towards the chipper. When you're done with that, come back and get some more. We'll get to the wood towards the end of the day. Lol.
 
First off, I want to really thank you for replying to my post and being respectful in the manner of understanding that I am really trying to gain advice to which could better me when trying to get started. I mean no disrespect to any of the guys on these threads

So hopefully that all makes sense to you and if you could help me out on any level whether it be experience, advice, tips of the trade, books, anything I am willing to learn and expand my knowledge!

There was books given to you at the beginning and for experience go and work apprenticeship in the tree or on the ground, which I plan on doing here in AUS for similar reason to you, the love of chainsaws


As another NOOB(to this side of things), I THINK that you've stormed over the advice, it'll possibly take you less than average to get up to scratch. But don't discount their advice just cause its free. thankfully the blokes on the dribble are just as nice as these guys

Cheers
James
 
There was books given to you at the beginning and for experience go and work apprenticeship in the tree or on the ground, which I plan on doing here in AUS for similar reason to you, the love of chainsaws


As another NOOB(to this side of things), I THINK that you've stormed over the advice, it'll possibly take you less than average to get up to scratch. But don't discount their advice just cause its free. thankfully the blokes on the dribble are just as nice as these guys

Cheers
James
Thank you so much I'm very appreciative for that advice, means alot I'm gunna look into getting the books and I'm looking into an apprenticeship with a guy to start on the ground and work my way up so I'm gunna see were it goes. Good luck to you as well!
 
That old guy you mentioned sounds like a good start. :)

I think I have about 2 years on you by your user name but only firewood experience in Australia v your logging.
Good luck mate hopefully you'll be the experienced one answering the same thread in ~10y time
 
That old guy you mentioned sounds like a good start. :)

I think I have about 2 years on you by your user name but only firewood experience in Australia v your logging.
Good luck mate hopefully you'll be the experienced one answering the same thread in ~10y time
I'd love that. I'm just trying to make something happen with my life ya know
 
Lol.. hopefully the old guy yells at you so much you cry into your pillow at night. Just saying.:laugh:

Look buddy, I'm not looking to get folks like you bringing me down due to being ambitious and trying to build a life for myself in this industry. There is very little need for the smart ass remarks; we all have a chance in this life to be successful and I personally am trying to gain success within the tree service industry. If you don't mind, I want professional advice from folks who want the younger generation to be successful, not from people like yourself who envy the younger generation due to immaturity and wrecklessness. I'm that 1% of my generation that knows to be successful you have to work. I don't feel that I am entitled to success without putting my fullest effort at the forefront and damn it I will do everything I can be on top. If you have personal advice that you'd like to offer me I'll be more than glad to take it and make sure I keep it with me as I progress but if not I'm politely asking that you back off and let me try to learn as much as I can from people who wish to help me. Thank you and god bless.
 
Because you need less typing and more getting yelled at. Screamed at even. Sure, there are other ways for your kind to learn, but from what I've seen the screaming at works best. I mean I'm sure the tree climbers companion would look cute on your night stand and all, but I'm just telling you how it really works. Start with dragging brush and getting yelled at.
 
Why ask us dimwits then? Sounds like you have a solid plan, get taught for free by some real pros.
 
Because you need less typing and more getting yelled at. Screamed at even. Sure, there are other ways for your kind to learn, but from what I've seen the screaming at works best. I mean I'm sure the tree climbers companion would look cute on your night stand and all, but I'm just telling you how it really works. Start with dragging brush and getting yelled at.

Sir, no disrespect, but I've had my fair share of getting screamed at while working. In fact I've worked through the depths of hell and back under a mentor who did nothing but yell and scream and spit in my face. It was basically a dictatorship and let me explain why:

I worked with this arrogant and selfish son of ***** who yelled at me if I was centimeters off the trail with our logging skidder; he went off the deep end when I didn't show up to the work site with cigarettes, let alone if I bought the wrong ones. This man had me working 15 hour days in all weather conditions and no days off just so he could afford his alcohol fix at the end of the week. I've risked my life, time, blood, sweat, and all mental stability just to help this man be successful. Ive listened to him rant for hours sitting in the skidder about how hard logging is and how rough his life is while I worked under him gathering logs, trimming them down, and hauling them to the landing from sunrise to sunset. In the menatime he would yell at me saying the way i did it wasnt as good as the way ge did it but hed still sit on his lazy ass. In the end, I did all the work and he took the credit and money for that case.

I guess I'm tired of helping someone else with their success when I'm waiting for mine to start. You can't claim success unless you build it yourself and that's what I'm trying to do. Sir you believe that getting screamed at is the only way to gain discipline in this industry... Well if I wanted that life id join the military. Now as I've said once I'll say it again, unless you have some constructive criticism to offer me or pieces of advice that may better me to become a great tree service person, please stop with your remarks. They are not and will not help me. I understand we all have a difference of opinion but I do not find yours to be relevant for I've already been through an awful experience with a boss who worked as if I was a slave. So thank you for your advice and wish you the best with all of your future endeavors as I hope you wish the best for me too.
 
Because you need less typing and more getting yelled at. Screamed at even. Sure, there are other ways for your kind to learn, but from what I've seen the screaming at works best. I mean I'm sure the tree climbers companion would look cute on your night stand and all, but I'm just telling you how it really works. Start with dragging brush and getting yelled at.

One more thing, currently I am enrolled full time at college. I am getting a degree to better myself and give myself a greater advantage in life. So you say I need less typing and more yelling... Well I am doing the typing due to the fact I have a student mentality. I learn from advice and by doing in which I now have the opportunity to learn from an already successful individual who is offering me an opportunity and I am gaining business advice from other peos on here who may just have a little more insight that could progress me forward. I don't need to limit myself to learning from one person, I am looking to learn from everyone and anyone who is willing to give me advice.
 
I wanna meet this old drunk that can still work 15 hour days while screaming at some young punk. Sounds pretty impressive. I'm only good for about 7 - 8 hours these days.

Well, first off I am not a young "punk"... I am trying to maintain a professional level of education and understanding on this site since I know there a guys out there willing to help out and give as much advice as they can so the industry can continue to grow and thrive. I'm no pro and I do not know everything about the tree service business, in fact I know little to nothing. I just know that I have the ambition and integrity to get into the industry and I will work my ass off to be something and someone in this world. I have maintained respect towards you so I ask the same in return.

Secondly, giving you the name of my boss is like giving out the name of my ex after complaining about her, pointless and immature. That relationship has ended and there is no need to live in the past. It was an experience I will keep with me as I move forward in my career and no one can take the skills I've gained from working for him from me. He taught me patience, hard work, ambition, endurance, to listen and do as told, to respect, and showed me that I am worth much more than just a simple work hand.

Im sure you would love to meet him for you both look down on the younger generation and seem to both have a very negative and bitter attitude; however I am not going to stoop down to that level. Go to PA and maybe you'll run into him at one of the local bars but other than that there is no need for the immature remarks from a " professional" such as yourself.
 
Why ask us dimwits then? Sounds like you have a solid plan, get taught for free by some real pros.

I don't see y'all as "dimwits". I don't see a reason to limit myself to the advice of just one person. Yes this man is going to teach me the ins and outs of the business and give me the experience I will need to go on my own; however, everyone has their own experience within the industry and if one person (or anyone on this thread) could give me a piece of advice they wish they could have had when starting out, I may just end up being successful as I wish to be. There's always more to learn and more to absorb, its just a matter of whether people are willing to help you out because there will always be people trying to tear me down.
 
Well, your typing skills are impressive!! I would have misspelled half those words.

Seriously, simmer down, we're just seeing if you make the cut. You're seriously way too thin skinned.

Take a breath, do some research, and jump back on tomorrow. Be prepared to give us the 5 most populous species of trees in your target market, and the most common pathogen for each species.
 
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