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You're fighting a losing battle, here brother. Might as well give up the ghost as far as the advice goes.

But some of the best advice you did get was to get a job at a tree service as a ground man. For now. See how the operation works. What ISNT working. As lots of questions when there's time. Watch climbers like a hawk. If you're dead set on climbing, accumulate gear as you go. Practice. Learn as much as you can about as many aspects as you can.

If you don't have the right mind set, and tree-itis, you're not going to run a successful tree care company. You will run a dime a dozen removal company. There's only so many trees to cut down and always competition. This really is an industry in which its best to start from the ground up.
 
You're fighting a losing battle, here brother. Might as well give up the ghost as far as the advice goes.

But some of the best advice you did get was to get a job at a tree service as a ground man. For now. See how the operation works. What ISNT working. As lots of questions when there's time. Watch climbers like a hawk. If you're dead set on climbing, accumulate gear as you go. Practice. Learn as much as you can about as many aspects as you can.

If you don't have the right mind set, and tree-itis, you're not going to run a successful tree care company. You will run a dime a dozen removal company. There's only so many trees to cut down and always competition. This really is an industry in which its best to start from the ground up.
Thank you very much, I do want to be a climber and I will be watching.
 
Reason I ask is that it helps to be around a large urban center with lots of trees and people with lots of money. Pittsburgh isn't bad but it's not great. I imagine Davey is located in that area and probably has a lock on the big money clients. I would suggest hooking up with a company like Davey or any other national company in the area for 2-3 years. You will be taught the basics of tree care and climbing skills. Also, if you want steady money with a high gross margin think PHC. It's much easier on the body.
 
If you want to jump into the biz early, learn how to prune and hedge. Prune everything, shrubs, japanese maples, little trees. You can then jump into the biz with only a pole pruner, hand saw and hedger and a pickup. I know, everyone is going to say hedging is for landscapers, but we are a $2 million/yr operation and 40% of our biz is hedging and all the arborist foremen have to hedge from time to time. Same for every tree company in this area.

If you get a job with a tree company, then you can do this on the side. Pruning skills are something you need to learn regardless.

Learn the top 10 species in your area (native and ornamental), how they are pruned, what insects and disease affect them and what abiotic factors affect them.

Remember tree care looks at the whole lifespan of the tree:
- planting
- immature care
- pruning
- fertilizing and pest control
- assessing and prescriptions
- removal
- stump grinding.

The other important aspect that you will need to learn if you want to run a tree company is SALES. You will have to market your company so people will call you, then go and meet them and determine what the customer wants done, provide and estimate and then sell them on the idea that you will do a better job than X, Y or Z Tree Care; or why they should pick you rather than the cheaper bid they got from 2 Crackheads and a Pickup Tree Service.

Finally, you need to decide how you handle the stress. Working hard is just one aspect, but what you do when you're behind on bills, a truck breaks down, a crew member doesn't show up and a customer calls to complain about the job you did last week.
 
If you want to jump into the biz early, learn how to prune and hedge. Prune everything, shrubs, japanese maples, little trees. You can then jump into the biz with only a pole pruner, hand saw and hedger and a pickup. I know, everyone is going to say hedging is for landscapers, but we are a $2 million/yr operation and 40% of our biz is hedging and all the arborist foremen have to hedge from time to time. Same for every tree company in this area.

If you get a job with a tree company, then you can do this on the side. Pruning skills are something you need to learn regardless.

Learn the top 10 species in your area (native and ornamental), how they are pruned, what insects and disease affect them and what abiotic factors affect them.

Remember tree care looks at the whole lifespan of the tree:
- planting
- immature care
- pruning
- fertilizing and pest control
- assessing and prescriptions
- removal
- stump grinding.

The other important aspect that you will need to learn if you want to run a tree company is SALES. You will have to market your company so people will call you, then go and meet them and determine what the customer wants done, provide and estimate and then sell them on the idea that you will do a better job than X, Y or Z Tree Care; or why they should pick you rather than the cheaper bid they got from 2 Crackheads and a Pickup Tree Service.

Finally, you need to decide how you handle the stress. Working hard is just one aspect, but what you do when you're behind on bills, a truck breaks down, a crew member doesn't show up and a customer calls to complain about the job you did last week.
Thank you very much for your input it is much appreciated and has opened my eyes for sure! I will be looking into these things!
 
You just gotta get to Expo if possible.
The closest city to me that it has ever been held in has been a minimum six hour drive.

http://expo2015.tcia.org
Ya its like 10 miles from me so I will most definitely be attending. I did some reading about the expo and it sounds as if it could offer me alot of opportunity. Are you going to this one?
 
Yeah. It is a pilgrimage.....perhaps similar to embarking on a Haj to Mecca, without the company of several million nutjobs.
Gotta go to Expo even though the Canadian - US $ exchange rate is purely savage.
 
Yeah. It is a pilgrimage.....perhaps similar to embarking on a Haj to Mecca, without the company of several million nutjobs.
Gotta go to Expo even though the Canadian - US $ exchange rate is purely savage.
Ya it looks like a nice expo!
 
Dang, I haven't chimed in on one of these threads in about five years, and said I never would again, but here goes. Some have mentioned having credentials and insurance. I used to bring this up , till I found out that half the country had different rules to play by. I was fourth generation in the tree care industry. I took my Maryland Tree Expert exam in 1999. At that time, just to take the exam, you had to have a 4 year degree or 8 years of service in the trade. We were licensed in MD, VA, and DC. I think PA has similar rules to getting a license. So, no matter how much you want it, it still may take years. Half the tree guys I know started out as fly by night operations. Some turned into pretty good, reputable company's. Some are still hacks. Call your DNR and see what they require for a license. Some states only require you to have a 73 F150 and a Poulan Wild Thing. I think PA is a little more stringent. In MD you have to have a Maryland Tree Expert License to get insurance. You also have to have a state business license to operate a business of any kind. Landscapers that have a MD "Home Improvement License" don't count, they do a lot of tree work, but not legally. Tree insurance is much, much more expensive than landscape insurance. A "Grass Whacker" falls off a curb and breaks his ankle and is laid up for a few weeks. You fall out of a tree and you're just laid "out".

Now, sorry if you don't like the term "Hack", but if you start up without license and insurance, that's what you'll be. As I said, a bunch of guys I know started that way and turned out good. Others already mentioned this business isn't what it was from after WWII till about 20 years ago. We were always booked 6 to 8 weeks out. If customers were a little shy of the price, we would knock off a couple hundred bucks and schedule the fork for Jan and Feb so we would have work in the cold months. We always had work year round. That's why I got out. I went 3 years straight without a vacation. Now, you're lucky to be bidding work today for next week. There are more illegal Tree "Hacks" than you can shake a stick at, and you're lucky to get the money on a job we got 20 plus years ago. There's still money in it, but you need to be in the high end of town. All of our work was in Potomac, Bethesda, and Chevy Chase, the high rent part of MD. Plus, I was lucky coming up in the business, we had 4 generations of clients.

You sound sincere, you can work hard, grow some skin like tree bark and hang around awhile. But, remember, you screw up without insurance and you can have the rest of your whole long life ruined. Not a lecture, just a thought, Joe.

PS: There's nothing like the smell of saw dust or split wood. There's nothing like a 100CC saw with a 52" bar. I'm deaf as a door knob in my right ear from running saws with gutted mufflers, and I have enough nerve damage in my hands I can't snap my fingers, wouldn't trade a minute of it. I took up chainsaw milling so my big saws wouldn't get rust on the bars. Good luck, Joe.
 
Dang, I haven't chimed in on one of these threads in about five years, and said I never would again, but here goes. Some have mentioned having credentials and insurance. I used to bring this up , till I found out that half the country had different rules to play by. I was fourth generation in the tree care industry. I took my Maryland Tree Expert exam in 1999. At that time, just to take the exam, you had to have a 4 year degree or 8 years of service in the trade. We were licensed in MD, VA, and DC. I think PA has similar rules to getting a license. So, no matter how much you want it, it still may take years. Half the tree guys I know started out as fly by night operations. Some turned into pretty good, reputable company's. Some are still hacks. Call your DNR and see what they require for a license. Some states only require you to have a 73 F150 and a Poulan Wild Thing. I think PA is a little more stringent. In MD you have to have a Maryland Tree Expert License to get insurance. You also have to have a state business license to operate a business of any kind. Landscapers that have a MD "Home Improvement License" don't count, they do a lot of tree work, but not legally. Tree insurance is much, much more expensive than landscape insurance. A "Grass Whacker" falls off a curb and breaks his ankle and is laid up for a few weeks. You fall out of a tree and you're just laid "out".

Now, sorry if you don't like the term "Hack", but if you start up without license and insurance, that's what you'll be. As I said, a bunch of guys I know started that way and turned out good. Others already mentioned this business isn't what it was from after WWII till about 20 years ago. We were always booked 6 to 8 weeks out. If customers were a little shy of the price, we would knock off a couple hundred bucks and schedule the fork for Jan and Feb so we would have work in the cold months. We always had work year round. That's why I got out. I went 3 years straight without a vacation. Now, you're lucky to be bidding work today for next week. There are more illegal Tree "Hacks" than you can shake a stick at, and you're lucky to get the money on a job we got 20 plus years ago. There's still money in it, but you need to be in the high end of town. All of our work was in Potomac, Bethesda, and Chevy Chase, the high rent part of MD. Plus, I was lucky coming up in the business, we had 4 generations of clients.

You sound sincere, you can work hard, grow some skin like tree bark and hang around awhile. But, remember, you screw up without insurance and you can have the rest of your whole long life ruined. Not a lecture, just a thought, Joe.

PS: There's nothing like the smell of saw dust or split wood. There's nothing like a 100CC saw with a 52" bar. I'm deaf as a door knob in my right ear from running saws with gutted mufflers, and I have enough nerve damage in my hands I can't snap my fingers, wouldn't trade a minute of it. I took up chainsaw milling so my big saws wouldn't get rust on the bars. Good luck, Joe.
Thank you so so much for this advice it is awesome advice and I will use every bit of it!
 
Dang, I haven't chimed in on one of these threads in about five years, and said I never would again, but here goes. Some have mentioned having credentials and insurance. I used to bring this up , till I found out that half the country had different rules to play by. I was fourth generation in the tree care industry. I took my Maryland Tree Expert exam in 1999. At that time, just to take the exam, you had to have a 4 year degree or 8 years of service in the trade. We were licensed in MD, VA, and DC. I think PA has similar rules to getting a license. So, no matter how much you want it, it still may take years. Half the tree guys I know started out as fly by night operations. Some turned into pretty good, reputable company's. Some are still hacks. Call your DNR and see what they require for a license. Some states only require you to have a 73 F150 and a Poulan Wild Thing. I think PA is a little more stringent. In MD you have to have a Maryland Tree Expert License to get insurance. You also have to have a state business license to operate a business of any kind. Landscapers that have a MD "Home Improvement License" don't count, they do a lot of tree work, but not legally. Tree insurance is much, much more expensive than landscape insurance. A "Grass Whacker" falls off a curb and breaks his ankle and is laid up for a few weeks. You fall out of a tree and you're just laid "out".

Now, sorry if you don't like the term "Hack", but if you start up without license and insurance, that's what you'll be. As I said, a bunch of guys I know started that way and turned out good. Others already mentioned this business isn't what it was from after WWII till about 20 years ago. We were always booked 6 to 8 weeks out. If customers were a little shy of the price, we would knock off a couple hundred bucks and schedule the fork for Jan and Feb so we would have work in the cold months. We always had work year round. That's why I got out. I went 3 years straight without a vacation. Now, you're lucky to be bidding work today for next week. There are more illegal Tree "Hacks" than you can shake a stick at, and you're lucky to get the money on a job we got 20 plus years ago. There's still money in it, but you need to be in the high end of town. All of our work was in Potomac, Bethesda, and Chevy Chase, the high rent part of MD. Plus, I was lucky coming up in the business, we had 4 generations of clients.

You sound sincere, you can work hard, grow some skin like tree bark and hang around awhile. But, remember, you screw up without insurance and you can have the rest of your whole long life ruined. Not a lecture, just a thought, Joe.

PS: There's nothing like the smell of saw dust or split wood. There's nothing like a 100CC saw with a 52" bar. I'm deaf as a door knob in my right ear from running saws with gutted mufflers, and I have enough nerve damage in my hands I can't snap my fingers, wouldn't trade a minute of it. I took up chainsaw milling so my big saws wouldn't get rust on the bars. Good luck, Joe.

It's interesting seeing the difference in regulations throughout the country.
Where I'm from, Arizona, you don't need to be licensed. And my insurance only cost me about $1200 for a year. And it is tree insurance, covering work at all heights.
Its very easy for a fly by nighter to bid on the same work as the big companies like Bartlett out here
 
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