MasterBlaster
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Two words, bro.
Communication skills.
Communication skills.
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Shaun Bowler
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I am glad that people are thinking about this.
However don't you think that the 'cred' of CA is being diluted by all the other certifacations.
Think about it.. It really is a fact, read a book, pass a test, Certified Arborist.
i wonder what an enlightend consumer might think of that fact?
FYI our office manager was just certified. Female,47 years, no viable tree skills ; she has been an office manager for our tree company for 6 years.
At our company a CA gets a 10% pay increase.
Before that she was a paralegal.
Cert.Arborist.
However don't you think that the 'cred' of CA is being diluted by all the other certifacations.
Think about it.. It really is a fact, read a book, pass a test, Certified Arborist.
i wonder what an enlightend consumer might think of that fact?
FYI our office manager was just certified. Female,47 years, no viable tree skills ; she has been an office manager for our tree company for 6 years.
At our company a CA gets a 10% pay increase.
Before that she was a paralegal.
Cert.Arborist.
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Chucky said:
Think they got stuck with MB because MA, MI and MN were already used by Massachusetts, Michigan and Minnesota; the Canuck provincial postal abbreviations do not conflict with any of the US ones
Eagle1
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Any way.....Happy Holidays You all!!
NeTree
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Who's NRTREE? 
You really need to work on your bait.
take3, there will always be the guys in pickups. You know what? Who cares. I have a loyal customer base because they WANT someone better than joe pickup & co. working on their property.
Joe, are you gonna be around this weekend?
You really need to work on your bait. take3, there will always be the guys in pickups. You know what? Who cares. I have a loyal customer base because they WANT someone better than joe pickup & co. working on their property.
Joe, are you gonna be around this weekend?
Chucky
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Ya, and Missouri (MO) and Montana (MT), too. Just thought it was interesting that Manitoba got lucky and had only one letter that wasn't already taken.
tshanefreeman
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You know 'Chucky', I had honestly never noticed or thought about the fact that Manitoba really doesn't have any letters left to make the abbreviation. I suppose that we should look into the history of the creation of the individual states versus Manitoba. Then we could decide who was the lucky one here............
Chucky
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Indeed. Since Canada is it's own country, why should it have to bow to American abbreviations? Of course, I'm proud to be an American, but it seems clear that this seems another an example of subtle American imperialism that has come to be despised abroad. It seems the question is, which came first, Manitoba, or Montana? And if Manitoba came first, why not MT?
It's about the same for computer systems certification of various kinds from Microsoft. Take your pick MCSA, MCSE, MC.*. You can pretty much get them about as easy as getting a prize in a Cracker Jack box.Shaun Bowler said:
A sure sign that a certification is pretty much meaningless is when they're constantly being augmented with other similar ones.
Glen
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What people seem to forget is that CA is credentialling for MINIMAL knowledge and experiance. There is nothing there that says "this guy is an expert". Which is why i object to the cost for it.
I'll wait to see how the board cert "Master" comes out. I doubt it will be as hard as a trade "masters piece" for say carpentry or sheetmetal. But we can hope.
I'll wait to see how the board cert "Master" comes out. I doubt it will be as hard as a trade "masters piece" for say carpentry or sheetmetal. But we can hope.
glens said:
Glen, have you ever taken any of these courses? Or taken any of the exams? I just went to a class for MCAD two weeks ago, and it kicked my axe! Maybe you're a lot smarter than me, but I found it very difficult.
I've not heard of that one. The last I've even looked at any of those types of things was about a year and a half ago. They don't interest me in the least as I put my money where my mouth is and would not work with Microsoft crap, even for very good money. It would make me feel dirty.
I have not taken any of their courses but know folks who have. The Cisco certs are worth a lot more, I hear, but even they do not mean a person is capable of actually using the equipment well. It's really too bad that industry in general currently has the mindset that pieces of paper are more valuable than true aptitude/ability.
Look at these Certified Arborist things. For a while, those who obtained them felt special, but now that someone who works in the garden dept. at Lowes also qualifies, they feel the need for a yet another new distinction. One's work should be their distinction, not pieces of paper on their wall.
But I digress.
Happy holidays, everyone.
Glen
I have not taken any of their courses but know folks who have. The Cisco certs are worth a lot more, I hear, but even they do not mean a person is capable of actually using the equipment well. It's really too bad that industry in general currently has the mindset that pieces of paper are more valuable than true aptitude/ability.
Look at these Certified Arborist things. For a while, those who obtained them felt special, but now that someone who works in the garden dept. at Lowes also qualifies, they feel the need for a yet another new distinction. One's work should be their distinction, not pieces of paper on their wall.
But I digress.
Happy holidays, everyone.
Glen
The MCAD cert is supposed to be one of the easier ones to get (if the amount of exams is any indicator). And it's not easy, regardless of what you think of Microsoft. The best programmers in my class were the ones that did well on the tests.
How much money do you make working with Linux?
How much money do you make working with Linux?
spacemule
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glens said:
So, Glens, are you saying that all certification and licensing should be done away with? I suppose we should not train doctors and have standardized testing, since their work should be their distinction, right?
I don't believe certification and experience should be mutually exclusive. Each is simply a component of a larger picture. If you're of the opinion that certification is too easy, then wouldn't working to make appropriate changes in the certifications be more constructive? You talk about adhering to standards quite frequently. Doesn't training for appropriate certifications make standardization a reality? Doesn't the osi model and tci/ip help?
zach landis
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[3 wraps: I'm not sure i agree- The industry is what we make it. Without evil there is no good. With out the hacks and joe pick-up there would be no washed-up, tired, geezeers to over charge to the unworthy masses.
zach landis
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3 wraps- The industry is what we make it.
Stumper
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spacemule said:
I don't klnow that Glen is saying that but I will. Certification and licensing programs seem to either start out as or degenerate into purchased credentials. I actually do not object to voluntary certification programs. Mandatory licensing is in conflict with the very principles of freedom. It is always justified in the name of protection for the public but have you noticed that licensed practioners cause all sorts of harm both deliberately and through negligence? Even when it comes to the local MD the free market will work! Licensing just muddies the issue so that stupid people don't ask about someone's competence but assume that the government has protected them from Dr. Dangerous Dimwit.
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