minority arborists

[ROLLACOSTA]

this is not a racist thread by any means and i mean any means !!,but this is merely an observation..are there any climbers /arborists from ethnic minoritys out there ie african americans ,chinese ,indians,asians etc..i have never seen a black climber overhere in the uk!! i have read about some good mexican climbers !. i wonder why this proffesion is domanated by caucasians surely people from other races are interested in the welfare of trees and the enviroment ??.i also wonder why this site is dominated by guys from USA ,UK ,AUSTRALIA ,NZ and CANADA ??..no arborists from other countrys [especialy developing countrys] seem to join our enthusiasam for this work again this is merely an observation i would have thought arborists from across the world would have joined our discussions.with all the global warming ,encroaching deserts ,high winds ,landslides,etc etc the world suffers

sorry forgot Grigory [our russian pal]

 

[SteveBullman]

i too have noticed that rolla. i did see one black guy at the apf show 6 years ago though.

 

[Guy Meilleur]

I subbed to an hispanic climber for a while, until he used truck and eqpt for personal biz unauthorized. He was gifted in agility, but little awareness of biology.

In consulting I see a lot of poorly=planted trees. Many planters are open to information on doing it right; two hispanics I met with info reacted in a personal, prideful way and would not consider changing.

I know there are individuals w diverse ethnicity who could and would learn to do tree work right, but how to reach them?

 

[SteveBullman]

lets hope his straw shack is waterproof then

 

[Stumper]

I'm a minority-Ain't nobody else quite like me! Seriously Rolly, I think that there are 2 reasons that you see mostly Yanks ,Brits, Aussies and Kiwis here.
1. Language, We see some neat links posted to German sites and there are probably others in Frogland etc. but we primarily attract persons whose first language is English or a reasonable facsimile.

2. Affluence, Trees get cut in every nation on earth but in many cultures the work is performed by menial labor with little concern over tree biology. English speaking cultures have propelled tree care into the professional realm more than most others. Alot of the tree folks outside of Englishspeaking countries A,. Don't have internet access and B. Don't want to talk about their work that much.

 

[ROLLACOSTA]

funny thing is when i have worked for peoples of a differant colour and culture to me they seem very easy to teach ..ie they come around to my way of thinking regarding tree work more than a good many anglo-saxons

 

[treeman82]

I'm a Jewish climbing arborist. Don't find many of those around these parts.

 

[ROLLACOSTA]

shalom brother man i bet your pack lunch is way better than mine!! i got jewish auntie food is great at her place..kerfilterer fish, chicken soup,matzo balls..salt beef .sausage kosher style,chopped liver with extra onions...mmmmmmmmmmmm..auntie your favorite nephew is comin too see you

 

[Jumper]

Seem to be a fair number of first nation(politically correctway ofsaying Indian) people in the biz in Ontario, or at least my perception

 

[murphy4trees]

waed and co

Here's a company pic of Big Jon and Roachy's company at the pen-del east TCC this year... great day,. This is a multi ethnic company that kicks out some serious tree work... Big Jon and Roachy are standing in the far right... the other white guys own the co.. And the little guy with the chainsaw in front of him smoked the belayed speed climb and he, jon and roach all made the top 5..

 

[murphy4trees]

And here's a pic of Pat... told me he's been lurking here... maybe we can smoke him out.... he came in 3rd in the aerial rescue that day.... He's still not perfect, but been hanging out with Big Jon long enough to be way better than most....

In answer to the original question... why are there so few minority climbers.... my take on it is that they have more sense than whites... I mean think about it... there are a lot of ways to make a living out there... how much sense does it really make to swing around 50-100' up in a tree with a chainsaw for a living....

 

[murphy4trees]

Here's pat's pic..

 

[Stumper]

Er... Daniel, Did you mean to say that Pat is just as dumb as the rest of us? --Pat if your lurking out there come join the party!

 

[BigJohn]

Is that Pat on his knees in front of me with a smile on his face? I'll reframe as I always do from the racial comments slurs. I think alot may have to do with these skills being passed down from gerations and such. I still think black guys are a bit more scared then they will admit and say they are just slow. It's OK to scared its how you deal with that fear. Either you stay up there all day and be scared and say your slow or just get it done and get the hell down on the ground where it is safe. Being white doesn't make anyone a better climber nor does being white affect how you are treated. I feel like an N word myself quite often.

 

[OutOnaLimb]

Some of the best climbers/tree men I have ever met were from Guatamala. I worked on an Asplundh crew with some of these guys and they are "spot on" I grew up listening about tales of a black guy down in Georgia who called him self "Mule" I finally got to meet the guy and he is 5ft 10in of pure spring steel and raw hide. All he does is removals, but he climbs with a Stihl 44 Mag with an 16 inch bar, and trust me you do not want to shake his hand. He grew up loading loading 5ft pulp logs by hand. If he wanted, he could be a Pro wrestler. I have MUCHO RESPECT for this guy. Granted, you dont see many blacks climbing, but its like when I was in the army, You dont see many black Rangers, but the ones you do meet are some Bad A$$ Muldoons.

Its all good, I have much respect for anyone who climbs trees.They can be black, white, oriental, or hispanic. If you can keep up with me, your doin' good.

Kenn:Monkey:

 

[murphy4trees]

what are you talking about... Scared???

Big Jon..
What are you talking about scared for??? Everybody's scared compared to you... You climb trees better than you walk...

 

[roachy]

BIG JOHN ,are we talking about Big John ,better than he walks hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.Or do you mean better than he talks .Ethnics hell BJ is from Potts town ha ha.
Bj hit on it though alot is handed down from one generation to the next and lets face it its hard work and nobodys hanging with Donald Trump Whats the alure ?

 

[MasterBlaster]

Re: what are you talking about... Scared???

Originally posted by murphy4trees
Big Jon..
What are you talking about scared for??? Everybody's scared compared to you...

Say WHAT?

 

[a_lopa]

i worked with a cook islander,short but bull like frame huge hands,he is a very funny happy guy,he was pissed at the bosses and asked them to remove the "black guy'' on the workmen ahead sign(our sign consists of blacked out guy shovelling)or he would take it further with descrimination.........that had them thinking!another time his holiday pay wasnt in on the correct day,he asked the manager why and he given no good reason,he said to manager''im fine with it but my wife (who is cook islander 120kg) is pissed off and coming in to see you.his pay was in that day.

 

[rumination]

Ovah heah in Hawaii we get plenny Samoans, Tongans, Filipinos, and odah Pacific islanders dat stay climbing da trees. Eh, wot you lookin at?