Ms-200 Pro

[sedanman]

I heard a rumor that Stihl will be bringing the rear handle version of the MS-200 to the U.S. this year. I know there has been insurance company pressure for tree care companies to move away from top handle saws. I wonder if this has anything to do with developement.

 

[NeTree]

Originally posted by sedanman
I know there has been insurance company pressure for tree care companies to move away from top handle saws.

That's too bad, since it's the Joe Homeowner do-it-yourself dummies that tend to get hurt with them.

If you REALLY wanna lower the injuries, make homeowners pass an IQ test before you can sell them a saw.

 

[tony marks]

yea i know ,,i use to get perks like that myself.. always my super would say,, take
it home tony.. it just in the way here..

 

[MasterBlaster]

Mike Mass should be salivating over this!!!

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

Yes I am.
The Husky 338 is aready here with a rear handle, sold by Vermeer. It's a really cool saw, your gloved hand actually fits into the rear handle! I got to play with one at a recent show.
The reason it's here is one of the big line clearence companies is going to mandate their use, for obvious safety reasons.
Will Stihl lose of thousands of sales to husky and not bring the saw here? I doubt it.

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

Re: Re: Ms-200 Pro

Originally posted by netree
That's too bad, since it's the Joe Homeowner do-it-yourself dummies that tend to get hurt with them.

If you REALLY wanna lower the injuries, make homeowners pass an IQ test before you can sell them a saw.

That's funny.
I've never heard of any undertrained tree guy getting hurt or injured. (haha sarcasm)

What you fail to understand is there are statistics that back up the insurance companies interests, and it is NOT just homeowners getting hurt with these saws.

Many climbers will make the change and see these new saws work just as well or even better. Then there will be guys who can't deal with change, that will find top handled saws and keep them running forever.

In this industry, as well as others, being able to keep up with the times is very important to success.

 

[NeTree]

Re: Re: Re: Ms-200 Pro

Originally posted by Mike Maas
What you fail to understand is there are statistics that back up the insurance companies interests, and it is NOT just homeowners getting hurt with these saws.

Show me.

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

You don't think insurance companies base their rates and other decissions on statistical evidence?

What do they use, the Magic 8 Ball?

 

[NeTree]

Originally posted by Mike Maas


What do they use, the Magic 8 Ball?

Ya never know....


I still want to SEE them. Hospital reports of work vs non-work related top-handled chainsaw injuries. Show me.

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

If I did "show you", what then?
Would you stop running top handled saws once it was proven to you they were more dangerous?
What if I proved to you they could be used more safely and without any loss of production?

Face it, change is hard and you're not ready.

 

[NeTree]

Originally posted by Mike Maas
If I did "show you", what then?
Would you stop running top handled saws once it was proven to you they were more dangerous?

Face it, change is hard and you're not ready.

No freakin' way.

I don't mind change, but why fix something that ain't broken?

Insurance companies are always cryin' their losing money... don't see too many go broke tho...

Any study they conduct is BOUND to be looked at in the light most favorable to their cause. So how 'bout just the numbers?

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

So the insurance companies and major line clearence companies are in a conspiracy, including falsifying records, and creating unsafe working conditions, just to get that one guy from New England Tree Service!

Yeah, that makes perfect sense to me.

 

[NeTree]

Mike...

Now you're being silly...

But it's nice to see you'll believe anything without seeing credible proof...you should run for office.

Just send me $200 and I'll send you a nice get-rich-quick scheme.

Nevermind falsified... let's see some numbers...something... anything...

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

That's the difference between us, I don't need to see a credible report to know if something is true or not. I can sometimes use a thing called intulectual intuition.

 

[TREETX]

Both saws are dangerous. I do believe a rear handle keeps the user from doing many stupid manuevers.

I am for more regulation/training/certification and staying away from my tool box.

Top handled saws are great tools that have a spot in an arborist's tool box.

I am for more regulation of the industry. "Chainsaw injuries" is such a broad brush to paint with.

More regulation....uhhh at least where I came from ZERO in Texas. I still don't have a permit to run a saw (professionally)here.

 

[NeTree]

In other words, if they say it it must be true...

Here's an example:




Motorcycle helmet laws were pushed by insurance companies as a way of "saving lives", based of the number of head-trauma fatalities in relation with the number of total accidents.


The fact is, the fatality % per accidents hasn't changed at all... You'll die from "internal injuries" instead of "head injuries"... which is exactly what happened. The numbers stayed the same, they just shifted columns.

 

[NeTree]

Now, in order to make your argument credible, you have to know:

1) The total # of chainsaw related accidents
2) The % of those that were work-related, not homeowner
3) and the % of those that were top-handle related.

So whose got the numbers???

 

[JimL]

we will just say that last time I was at the supply house nick had one on his bench in tech service he was messing with. I asked him and he said they was thinking about bringing it over here..


Carvers like them.

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

The new saws would be great for anyone, small, light, powerful. I'm suprised there is resistance to having the option of a small rear handled saw.

 

[NeTree]

Ever read the "Journal Of Arboriculture"? Ever notice the great pains the authors go through to incluse all of their data? graphs, charts, bibliographies? They aren't there just for fun are they?

Would you place as much credibility in the author if he DIDN'T provide that info?

I hate sheep.

Mike, are ya kidding? I might buy a couple... I'm sure they'd come in handy!