must watch!!! awsome clips

[Nailsbeats]

Anybody can be risky and die.

Show us the successful living examples who live safety.

Osman probably had an insecurity fear problem.

So I'd say that Osman may not have had real mental nuts, other than being a bit nuts.

Most people get distracted with the outward illusion of bravery by focusing on the obstacle being climbed. But miss the inward dead-weight in the head on the body.

Is that why you don't climb, it just doesn't do it for you?

 

[Nailsbeats]

Yes a lot of haters today. Some people have nothing better to do than criticize others, and they always tend to pick on people that are genuinely great or excellent,. I don't know if it gives them a feeling of power or it's jealousy, but it has to be one of the two or why would they bother doing it at all. What could another motive be?

I loved Evil Kneivel too. My name is Neville so I used to make ramps to jump on my bike and I called myself Evil Kneville (I was awesome BTW!).

IMO Osman was the Travis Pastrana of the extreme climbing world.

It's simple economics TTK, they don't want their almighty insurance rates to go up so they mother hen you to death. Really though, I think it's people's insecurity in themselves, ya know, "I can't do it so I'm gonna give you heck for doing it." Screw that.

 

[tree md]

I really don't have any qualms with anyone who doesn't climb. In fact, I can kind of understand them condemning the outlandish climbers. Not that I agree with them one way or another. It's the climbers that I don't get. I mean anyone who climbs for a living or recreation would have to be a complete Hippocratic to condemn another. Maybe you don't agree with how much someone else pushes the envelope or the risks they take but anyone who leaves the ground takes chances. You would think that they would understand that feeling of pushing yourself to the limit. Just seems like the pot calling the kettle black to me.

 

[Grace Tree]

I'm sure it didn't help. As I understand it, he somehow got his lines crossed and the rope melted through.

Kind of funny how people seem to think these days. I have read so many negative comments from so many people on Osmond (and not just on this site), and have been seeing the same thing happening with Lusk since his death doing freestyle last week; So much cynicism today. I remember when I was a kid Evil Knevil was the daredevil of the day. Seemed like he captured the attention of all, stood for what was good and was courageous. At least that's how he appeared to this kid of that day. Don't remember anyone bashing him for doing what he did. On the contrary, he was a hero to a lot of kids of my generation. Heck, I wanted to be him when I was a kid. I kind of think of Osmond in the same sense. Different world today.

I think Evil was so new and different at the time we were more intrigued by the daredevil aspect. Maybe after years of reality tv watching risk takers get injured or dead and in need of rescue, people have just grown weary of dealing with the consequences (in their own brains).
Phil

 

[M.D. Vaden]

Is that why you don't climb, it just doesn't do it for you?

Irrelevant question, but an angle you feel you need to resort to. I choose the work I like, and not doing the work I don't like. Sort of like buying gas and groceries or hiking. Everything is a choice.

It appears as if you get wrapped up in other person's choices. But that's your choice.

As far as safety, I lean toward the steady cautious advance of safe veterens, more so than the reckless speedy style of people like Osman. That does not mean he lacked precision. But his type of precision is what I call a recipe for future disaster. Sort of like people trying to race a mountain bike over 100 mph down a mountain slope to break a speed record. No margin for error.

Although he would have used some decent gear at times, his style of recreation basically erased any decent margin for error.

The smart choice for recreation and work is to maintain and increase a margin for error. The first time I saw Osman in video, it looked cool. But it was not long before I changed my mind. I realized that there were people who can do the same thing, but more slowly, differently and more safely.

 

[Rftreeman]

ill bet sun rays[UV] took part in his rope snapping,it was left fer 3 weaks to rot in the sun. he also jumped with lots of extra gear on his back so when he got to the ground he could pack up and roll. sad sad story!!

:agree2: you can't leave ropes out in the weather for three weeks just hanging on a cliff rubbing rocks and stuff and expect them too have the same load capabilities.

 

[murphy4trees]

why the second jump?

I personally respect Osman and what he did and how he lived...

What was important to the world did not matter to him and he lived how he wanted to.. not as someone told him to do!

That said, I question why he made the second jump? Really why do it?

Cause it was easy with all the gear set up? Cause he loved the ride and wanted the rush all over again? He let his guard down for an moment and it cost him his life... Probably would be good to have two or three people inspect all the rigging and give it the OK... He crossed his lines...

Maybe it was destiny... was it also destiny for Hendrix, Joplin, and Jim Morrison too? Who knows... We all gotta die some time.. no changing that.. the only thing we can really choose is how we are going to live... What are we leaving behind?

 

[Toddppm]

See him compared to Pastrana above, I don't think even he would be as foolish as this climber. At least he takes calculated risks. Absolutley no fear but he does seem to have common sense. I feel much worse for what happened to Lusk than this guy.

 

[pdqdl]

I was once an adrenaline junkie, but I did it on a motorcycle. You go a little crazy, it was fun, then you do more. After a while, what seems like bravery/insanity is not hardly exciting, you need more...

Probably most everyone that climbs trees will admit that this is an important facet of their personality, or they just don't want to admit it's truth. I never climbed trees for the excitement, I did it to make money and the customer wanted the trees trimmed. In fact, I hate the work of trimming & removing trees. But I still like the climbing part.

I'm sure that Osman wasn't being brave, he needed the adrenaline fix. So the previous conversation about "having nuts" needs to be tempered with the understanding that he was pathologically in need of excitement from danger.

No doubt that he had big, huge nuts; but that also lead him into a misguided need to take extreme risks.

 

[TreeTopKid]

It's simple economics TTK, they don't want their almighty insurance rates to go up so they mother hen you to death. Really though, I think it's people's insecurity in themselves, ya know, "I can't do it so I'm gonna give you heck for doing it." Screw that.

Exactly I 100% :agree2:

 

[Nailsbeats]

Irrelevant question, but an angle you feel you need to resort to. I choose the work I like, and not doing the work I don't like. Sort of like buying gas and groceries or hiking. Everything is a choice.

It appears as if you get wrapped up in other person's choices. But that's your choice.

As far as safety, I lean toward the steady cautious advance of safe veterens, more so than the reckless speedy style of people like Osman. That does not mean he lacked precision. But his type of precision is what I call a recipe for future disaster. Sort of like people trying to race a mountain bike over 100 mph down a mountain slope to break a speed record. No margin for error.

Although he would have used some decent gear at times, his style of recreation basically erased any decent margin for error.

The smart choice for recreation and work is to maintain and increase a margin for error. The first time I saw Osman in video, it looked cool. But it was not long before I changed my mind. I realized that there were people who can do the same thing, but more slowly, differently and more safely.

Vaden, I'm not trying to jump on your back, I was simply asking because I heard you don't climb, and I don't even know that for a fact, because I have never heard it from you. Regardless, I was wondering why?

 

[custom8726]

First I have ever read or watched anything pertaining to Osman. I give the guy credit for letting it all hang out and just simply living his life how he choose fit. Some of the climbing done in those you tube video's is nothing short of amazing IMHO... Its tragic, as is the more recent Lusk death but it's the risk these guys choose to take and they both died doing what they loved. R.I.P...

 

[M.D. Vaden]

Vaden, I'm not trying to jump on your back, I was simply asking because I heard you don't climb, and I don't even know that for a fact, because I have never heard it from you. Regardless, I was wondering why?

I already answered - thought so anyhow. Because I choose not too.

I thought about getting into recreational climbing, since I have no problems with wandering in trees of medium size. Just have not got around to it. It's merely that I have so much 20' foot and under pruning plus all the landscape stuff, that it's so much easier to send all the big stuff to a local arborist so I don't have to deal with the liability, a whole extra phase of equipment and the extra facility space. In fact, they just removed two 60 to 70 foot conifers from my front yard yesterday.

I may use the 90 foot tree in the back if I feel like the urge to climb with gear, but haven't gotten any wild hair. It's one of those 6 of one and half dozen of the other kind of things. Same thing with the redwood forest. I never seem to have a temptation to want to learn to get up one of those, because there are a lot of other acres to cover down below which I would miss by going up in a redwood. With all these climbers who are so adept and efficient around here, it's just as streamlined to give them the climbing niche and take care of the other niche.

Since most arboirsts here can't design worth a darn, it's nice to be able to bridge the gap between the high climbers and the landscape-only contractors.

Actually, I found it pretty relaxing to sell my 385XP Husky and just keep my small Echo and Stihl.

 

[B-Edwards]

I never climbed trees for the excitement, I did it to make money and the customer wanted the trees trimmed. In fact, I hate the work of trimming & removing trees. But I still like the climbing part.

QUOTE]

That's me!

 

[Nailsbeats]

I already answered - thought so anyhow. Because I choose not too.

I thought about getting into recreational climbing, since I have no problems with wandering in trees of medium size. Just have not got around to it. It's merely that I have so much 20' foot and under pruning plus all the landscape stuff, that it's so much easier to send all the big stuff to a local arborist so I don't have to deal with the liability, a whole extra phase of equipment and the extra facility space. In fact, they just removed two 60 to 70 foot conifers from my front yard yesterday.

I may use the 90 foot tree in the back if I feel like the urge to climb with gear, but haven't gotten any wild hair. It's one of those 6 of one and half dozen of the other kind of things. Same thing with the redwood forest. I never seem to have a temptation to want to learn to get up one of those, because there are a lot of other acres to cover down below which I would miss by going up in a redwood. With all these climbers who are so adept and efficient around here, it's just as streamlined to give them the climbing niche and take care of the other niche.

Since most arboirsts here can't design worth a darn, it's nice to be able to bridge the gap between the high climbers and the landscape-only contractors.

Actually, I found it pretty relaxing to sell my 385XP Husky and just keep my small Echo and Stihl.

Sounds like a nice niche you have. It takes all kinds.

 

[(WLL)]

Sounds like a nice niche you have. It takes all kinds.

 

[outofmytree]

The smart choice for recreation and work is to maintain and increase a margin for error. The first time I saw Osman in video, it looked cool. But it was not long before I changed my mind. I realized that there were people who can do the same thing, but more slowly, differently and more safely.

I hear you on the work issue, but have to disagree on the recreation. Some people grow roses, some people surf and some people run up mountians like squirrels on crack. It takes all sorts.

 

[outofmytree]

I was once an adrenaline junkie, but I did it on a motorcycle. You go a little crazy, it was fun, then you do more. After a while, what seems like bravery/insanity is not hardly exciting, you need more...

Probably most everyone that climbs trees will admit that this is an important facet of their personality, or they just don't want to admit it's truth. I never climbed trees for the excitement, I did it to make money and the customer wanted the trees trimmed. In fact, I hate the work of trimming & removing trees. But I still like the climbing part.

I'm sure that Osman wasn't being brave, he needed the adrenaline fix. So the previous conversation about "having nuts" needs to be tempered with the understanding that he was pathologically in need of excitement from danger.

No doubt that he had big, huge nuts; but that also lead him into a misguided need to take extreme risks.

The most insightful post in this thread.