Need advice-hung up tree removal

[Philbert]

Start at the butt end there is very little weight on it easier than bucking it on the ground worse case you need a wedge.

If you start at the butt you will change the balance with all of the weight still in the top. The trunk could rise, or roll, or shift and break the crotch, or hang up in the air where its a tall reach to cut.

The upper branches are hanging out there just waiting to be cut to length with a pole saw. Then it's just a short pull to drop the trunk onto the ground.

Philbert

 

[smokinj]

If you start at the butt you will change the balance with all of the weight still in the top. The trunk could rise, or roll, or shift and break the crotch, or hang up in the air where its a tall reach to cut.

The upper branches are hanging out there just waiting to be cut to length with a pole saw. Then it's just a short pull to drop the trunk onto the ground.

Philbert

hell yeaaa! And thats will make it easy to go to the other side and finnish...
The upper branch is to high for my 41in, bar and ladder are a hudge NO NO! Probally will not get lucky enough for the top to fall, what the Heck is a pole prunner lol

 

[StihlyinEly]

bar and ladder are a hudge NO NO!

That's one of the biggest lines of crap in the industry. There are ways to make a ladder secure and ways to make yourself secure while cutting off a ladder. There also are plenty of situations where cutting from a ladder IS foolish. You just have to know when to and not to use one.

I call BS on blanket statements like yours, and always will.

 

[smokinj]

That's one of the biggest lines of crap in the industry. There are ways to make a ladder secure and ways to make yourself secure while cutting off a ladder. There also are plenty of situations where cutting from a ladder IS foolish. You just have to know when to and not to use one.

I call BS on blanket statements like yours, and always will.

LOL Not buying it you can check my insurance is 135.00 a month NO LADDERS! So No BS
and that inculdes workmans comp. So my best bet would be with or with out insurance butt end and let it flip out of there...Really not going to do anything until weight is drop and going up is easier than down.

 

[StihlyinEly]

LOL Not buying it you can check my insurance is 135.00 a month NO LADDERS! So No BS
and that inculdes workmans comp.

I'm not talking about insurance. Insurance companies don't define what is safe. They just define what they'll let you do and not do if you want to remain insured. All they are worried about regarding ladders is people who don't really know when and when not to use them going ahead and using them in dumb situations and then filing claims. There are in fact a LOT of people who should not be using ladders, and I do understand why insurance companies don't allow them.

Here's what I don't hear from within the industry: Ladders are a no-no because of insurance. That would not be BS.

Here's what I do hear from within the industry: Ladders are NOT SAFE!!!!! That's BS.

Just saying.

 

[smokinj]

I'm not talking about insurance. Insurance companies don't define what is safe. They just define what they'll let you do and not do if you want to remain insured.

Here's what I don't hear from within the industry: Ladders are a no-no because of insurance.

Here's what I do hear from within the industry: Ladders are NOT SAFE!!!!!

Just saying.

I dont fill good on a ladder, but I am also afarid of heights as well. My brother works off monster ladder on fire alarms for elilly I could not do it. If you fill good on a ladder goforit. I would just make 3-6 cuts from the ground its done and insurance is all good....God know I cant afford a claim. There has to be something to it that was a question that they really wanted to know.

 

[StihlyinEly]

Back on topic, smokin, as you said.

I did think of just running it up one cut at a time from the base, but pretty soon you'd be running out of trunk within reach if the crotch is 14 feet up. Then what? Gotta go around to the front of the tree then and start hacking up the top until removing enough material shifts the balance and the trunk drops back to the ground. Then the top is out of reach. So go back to the trunk side, whack off a few more until it shifts again. Then go to the top side, whack off more top until it shifts back to the trunk.

Repeat. Repeat again until neither the remainder of the top nor the remainder of the trunk can be reached from the ground. Then, uh, dally a rope and pull it out?

 

[smokinj]

Back on topic, smokin, as you said.

I did think of just running it up one cut at a time from the base, but pretty soon you'd be running out of trunk within reach if the crotch is 14 feet up. Then what? Gotta go around to the front of the tree then and start hacking up the top until removing enough material shifts the balance and the trunk drops back to the ground. Then the top is out of reach. So go back to the trunk side, whack off a few more until it shifts again. Then go to the top side, whack off more top until it shifts back to the trunk.

Repeat. Repeat again until neither the remainder of the top nor the remainder of the trunk can be reached from the ground. Then, uh, dally a rope and pull it out?

If it would not flip out on its own after running out of trunk I would throw a bull line in and use my boat wench mounted to the tralier and pull it out. If I didnt have a wench I would just use a truck I t would come out of there.

 

[StihlyinEly]

If it would not flip out on its own after running out of trunk I would throw a bull line in and use my boat wench mounted to the tralier and pull it out. If I didnt have a wench I would just use a truck I t would come out of there.

Well that's the lowest tech solution I've seen so far. Could darn well work. I've pulled some pretty darn heavy/gnarled up stuff with a simple heavy 1/2 ton 4x4 before.

 

[smokinj]

Well that's the lowest tech solution I've seen so far. Could darn well work. I've pulled some pretty darn heavy/gnarled up stuff with a simple heavy 1/2 ton 4x4 before.

I have an old 1970's boat wench that was for a big fiberglass boat. I use it to snatch trunks all the time for milling..It would pull that thang with little effort but before steeling it off my brother the truck would have had to do.

 

[oldirty]

anyone that cuts from a ladder is a complete moron. anyone that recommends cutting from a ladder should be removed from the site.

why are you asking for professional help near the firewood pile? you will not get the right answer and will only wind up in a precarious situation.

find a climber to come by and give him a couple hundo for the effort. thats worth a couple cord of oak, no?

 

[smokinj]

anyone that cuts from a ladder is a complete moron. anyone that recommends cutting from a ladder should be removed from the site.

why are you asking for professional help near the firewood pile? you will not get the right answer and will only wind up in a precarious situation.

find a climber to come by and give him a couple hundo for the effort. thats worth a couple cord of oak, no?

Oh I have a climber he works by the job only and he would laugh at me if I needed hes help on this one.....He comes into play when theres no where to drop it. I dont use ladders.

 

[StihlyinEly]

anyone that cuts from a ladder is a complete moron. anyone that recommends cutting from a ladder should be removed from the site.

I qualify on both counts. Never even had a close call from a ladder, because I'm careful and only use them when I believe the situation calls for it.

Jerk me from the site, bud.

 

[smokinj]

I qualify on both counts. Never even had a close call from a ladder, because I'm careful and only use them when I believe the situation calls for it.

Jerk me from the site, bud.

LOL I like you Stihlyinely! Rep sent. lol ok I am out of rep for 24hrs hit u soon.

 

[StihlyinEly]

LOL I like you Stihlyinely! Rep sent. lol ok I am out of rep for 24hrs hit u soon.

Ah, don't worry about it, smoke. I'm sure oldirty will rep me. He's really a closet ladder admirer. :hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange:

 

[smokinj]

Ah, don't worry about it, smoke. I'm sure oledirty will rep me. He's really a closet ladder user. :hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange:

sure, sure he will!!!! lolopcorn:

 

[StihlyinEly]

Ooooo, busted me on the edit!!!

 

[oldirty]

ely you the one telling this guy to cut from a ladder. someone who you has absolutely no idea how to get this tree on the ground. if he had a clue he wouldn't be asking. you claim to work from a ladder which tells me you are not actually qualified to do the work too. unless this guy has a bucket truck or a lift he shouldnt do this tree. you want him to be releasing all that pent up energy from a ladder? all those cuts should be made from above and if you actually knew what you were talking about you would know this.

you really want this guys death or paralyzation on your conscious? you the man.

 

[StihlyinEly]

ely you the one telling this guy to cut from a ladder. someone who you has absolutely no idea how to get this tree on the ground. if he had a clue he wouldn't be asking. you claim to work from a ladder which tells me you are not actually qualified to do the work too. unless this guy has a bucket truck or a lift he shouldnt do this tree. you want him to be releasing all that pent up energy from a ladder? all those cuts should be made from above and if you actually knew what you were talking about you would know this.

you really want this guys death or paralyzation on your conscious? you the man.

I told the OP what I'd be comfortable doing, and what I've carefully done on quite a few occasions before without mishap. I did not tell him what he should do, and in fact cautioned him. Other than that, I'm just going to let this go before it gets too dirty.

 

[ts39136]

Where is the OP? Oh, did you scare off another one?

I've learned a lot from this forum, but what sticks in my mind is that some (not all) professional tree guys are way over testosteroned. Get the man tools, the crane, the man lift, let the homeowner pay for the rental or walk away and tell your tree-buddies not to touch his house as punishment.

Dude.. It's a problem that he chose to share with you all. He's not in a rush and looking to learn as much as possible before doing it. It's not like it's a skyscraper with 48 support beams. It's a tree, in a crotch. He will do it, I'm sure now, because he has learned what a great respectful bunch of people are on this site. Believe it or not there are people in this world that can function without a self proclaimed expert spending his money.

I spend extra at the garden store that gives me free advice, I go out of my way to recommend the saw shop that has treated me well. If in fact you are professionals, you are doing your business no favors talking about it here.

Please rename this forum to the professional firewood sales forum, becuase time and again, homeowners are not welcomed here.:bang: