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HI EVERYONE JUST NEED A LITTLE HELP WITH FIGURING OUT WHAT THE BEST WAY TO ESTIMATE STUMP REMOVAL PRICING
WE ARE A FAIRLY NEW CO AND WANT TO BE IN LINE WITH OTHERS WITHOUT UNDERSELLING THANKS FOR ANY INFO ALOTT
not shure if formula is as follows

say at $4.00 per inch 10 inch stump to make things simple

10x4.00=$40.00
or do you square it
10x10=100x4.00=400.

please let me know what you use
 
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Where in NY are you located? Down by me, people are getting anywhere from $4 per inch in diameter, to $5.75 per inch in diameter. That was the last time I checked at least. Those prices are only for grinding the stumps out, and pushing the chips back into the holes.
 
Yeah, most places it would be under $100 to grind the stump and rtake the pile back. It all depends on accesability too. If they have to carry a small unit into a sunken back yard it may be more.
 
Local market factors play a big part in stump removal pricing. But you are better off NOT trying to compete with EVERYONE.- (I occassonally run into someone charging $1 per diameter inch- There is NO future in that kind of pricing-you only make peanuts after factoring in wear and tear. ) Per inch pricing is common but really is a marginal system. Double the diameter and you quadruple the volume of wood being ground. I really don't know what the otherguys charge around here-I simply quote my price(which I try to keep reasonable) and customers say yeah or nay. Your 10" diameter example would be $ 40-because that is my minimum. A customer with 3 ten inch stumps in the open wnd without rock around them can get all 3 ground for $65. A twenty inch stump will usually run $65 a thirty incher runs $95-$125 depending upon species, location and root flare. I grind stuff at least 6"-typically 8" deep unless otherwise specified.

It is worth remembering that most people have no idea what your service costs. For most, if the price sounds reasonable,they can afford it, and they want it done-you'll get the job.
 
I've never personally messed with stump grinding but the guy I refer my customers to charges $2-4 per diameter inch depending on things mentioned by JPS and Stumper. Just remember though that everything is relative, what may be cheap in your area may be considered highway robber some where else:eek:
 
The going price out here in ND is about $1 per in. at the widest spot that the stump touches the ground. A 10 in. stump may have a 20 in. spread where it touches the ground. I charge a little more if they want me to chase roots that run on the ground surface. Also no one here usually pushes the grindings back into the hole. Just grind, paid, leave. I also charge more for hazards, ie. rocks, bricks, chain, bottles. The other day I hit a 12" square iron plate that was an inch thick. "Clanggg!" That kind of stuff breaks grinder teeth. Hedge rows are a little different. You will have to take a little bit of a guess of what to charge. Obviously not by the in. And hedge rows are usually fairly easy to do.
 
I'd charge $400 if you think you can get it.

But my poor stump guy would only get $20 for that 10incher, and that is only because that is his minimum. He will usually do a 20inch pine for about $25, oak that would be about $35. the guys with the machines that will go in the back yard get more per stump, usually about twice.
Greg
 
Originally posted by Stumper
Double the diameter and you quadruple the volume of wood being ground.

emmm, Pi is still 3.14159...the depth is the same, thought the $1 per hour is probably scuffing it 1 inch down. throws some black dirt on it and raves at what a good job it is.
 
Small stumps below 10" or so run about 50.00. Larger stumps (depending on the type of tree) we have always charged by the hour....$45hr 15 years ago 65hr 10 years ago 85 hr 5 years ago..and now $125hr. Works out fine for us and of course the debris removal is extra...
 
JPS, Yeah and pi are square too. But usually they be round.;) Do the math. Remember that the radius is squared.
Double the diameter= quadruple the area. If we are talking about cylinders of the same height then we have quadrupled the volume. In reality larger diameter stumps usually have more pronounced root flares so the volume disparity is even greater.

I shall be merciful about the $1 per hour in your post-we all know that your fingers were supposed to type"inch". Bad fingers!:p
 
I found me stump man which means I don't have to rent a 252 anymore and waste a day at little pay. It is rare I do it, but some jobs just require it.

This guy just had a flyer at the gas station saying "STUMP REMOVAL - CHEAP" I had an oak wilt removal job this week with 20 stumps ranging from 28" to 2". Would have cost me $150 to rent the machine, 1.5 hrs in drive time, and at least 2 hours of grindin'. This guy showed up with his 252, looked around and said, "$200" DEAL!!

Told him I had another one but it is a 3 foot tall stump. He called a few hours later and said it was done and I owed him $40. DEAL!!

I gave him $220 on the oaks because I appreciated the rapid service and want him to jump when I say boo.

There is no way he can make money. The oaks were growing in a mixture of limestone and flint rocks.
 
Tx -
keep that stumper handy and happy. I could use him out here and pay extra for travel, even buy his beer afterward. What's he using?

I roughly estimate stump work the same as take-down due to factors you mentioned - rock and most often iron. A thirty-ft by 48" dag over a garage will leave a stump as costly to grind as the take-down that was over it. I mostly talk people out of grinding if the landscape can afford it, dead motts of live oaks and no outward hurry or expensive turf-grass environments. Dead clusters mean flammable, and small fires can ignite a stump to burn for several days downwards into the ground.

Live oaks grind extremely hard. I hate doing it.
 
This guy travels, he has a Houston cell number and was working in San Antonio yesterday and goes as far north as Waco.

Not wanting to make assumptions, but he is no stranger to a cold beer and probably lives by the motto "It is noon somewhere". I don't care. He shows on time and gets it done. He has a Vermeer 252. I'll send you his ##
 
I dont grind stumps but I have a guy that has three machins that does all of my work. He has a rayco tow behind a rayco JR and a self propelled tiller-type. He charges me 1 an inch for all of my customers I send his way. That is because i give him so many stumps. He charges most people that call him directly about 1.50 an inch. He grinds all the stumps 6 inches below ground or more. He rakes up all the grindings off the grass or whatever and puts them in a pile where the stump was. Here $4 an inch would be very high, the highest guy here charges 2.75, but in your area it might be closer. You might want to find someone/ freind that has a few stumps and get all the local guys in your area to give them a price, then you know what the work goes for in your area.


Mike
 
The concept that price per inch diameter isn't a consistent way to measure the work makes a lot of sense to me... toatl area makes more sense.. That would be the radius squared x some price factor....
So a 10" stump would be 25 x ?

and a 30" stump would be 225 x ?

a 60" stump would be 900 x ?

Which would you rather grind a 60" stump or (6) 10" stumps.
 
A 60" would be easier - but I gotta tell ya these live oaks (estimated losses from disease exceed 5,000,000) are a hard-headed rock-like pain in the rear.

What's worse is when the customer wants a stump gone - as in nada fe mora. They wish to plant a 2" tree right in the EXACT SAME SPOT!!!!! Backhoe and backache time. I have one old removed giant that's still burning below grade near here - lit it three weeks ago.

It also takes time to grind a live oak - little bites and slow swings. They seem to produce around a cubic yard of chips for every 2" bite. Raking it back over a now foot-below ground stump, there's a three foot pile of cheeps somewhere around eight feet across. The tanic acid from weathering chips keeps anything from growing (except muchrooms and ragweed) for a couple years. Pain in the rear, again. Did Tex or I mention rocks? If we didn't I will again - rocks.

There's an old stump from a reported flood-damaged live oak that sits near Luckenbach, Tx. The tree was swept away in 1864. The stump is as solid as petrified cyprus at the National Park in Arizona (Petrified Tree NM). Think your Vemeer could grind that puppy?

Another issue is "I want it flush with the ground!" Okay, I'll leave the grinding bid out and get it so you can mow over it. I now have the 100ft spool of chain for my 42" bar and my bench punch mounted right next to my beer bottle opener in the back seat. I need to load a portable pressure washer, an air compressor, and some type of scrubbing system to clean the lower reaches of the trunck - again, rock....microscopic and not to mention a hundred years of German thriftiness using the oak as a fence corner post, a longrifle target, and the hollow butt-rotted base as a repository of old horse shoes, axe heads, and twisted nails. "You aren't done with that stump yet?" Ah, no.

Stumps. Humpf.
 
Kind of looked like I was gettin' a bit tired of oak stumpfs - wadda ya grinding with Stumper?

I was thinking about a dead mott of oaks - the way most grow here (in clusters) and most die too - positioning the grinder from one to the next to the next...on and on. A single mother stump seems easier to hit and finish and outta there than some of these multiple take-downs, but i guess we could make more (or whoever does the deed) with several stumpfs (I'll call them that from now on) once you can get the machine on them.

You can probably sweep across a twenty incher in no time, these hunkin' giants hypnotise me watching the sweep back and forth and back and again over and over and over...zzzzzzz. Maybe stumpin' just isn't in my bones - which seem to hurt while standing there on this mostly ROCK ground and pushing the levers to and fro and back again. Everything vibrates, even had a woman come out yelling her fish tank danced off the desk and spilled it's occupants all over her den. Oaks. Live oaks...er, dead ones. I never thought I'd miss the smell of pines so much.

You ever had the pleasure of dead live oaks? Man.
 
I'm using a Rayco RG12.-Just a little guy. I can't figure out how anybody keeps the monster machines busy in residential work. The six 10" stumps are toast in a half hour-the 60"will take a lot longer. (Actualy I've never ground a 60" Live oak-lots of smaller ones though- A 60" Maple took me a couple of hours. 60" elm over an hour.
 
I just rented a Rayco RG-50.... amazingly quick, especially with the big stumps and getting around a site... there is no getting in the truck or stopping the wheel to get to an area that's outside the sweep. Just a quick back and forth and turn of the hydraulic steering and you're on it... Pretty good power and speed.... A tree brother told me his company is selling their 75 Hp. Carlton, because they only used it about 6 times in the last year... The machine is brand new... they also own an RG-50 and use it for almost every job.... It's a lot easier to move around and probably easier to maintain the teeth.... the one question would be durability??? Small stumps no problem... the big ones seem hard on it though...
PS... I seem to do a lot better physically when grinding since I've been using a respirator.... the lungs just weren't designed to handle that much dust and fumes etc... The last time I ground a stump without one, I was hurting...
 

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