need so advice please

[scott t]

sorry it has been a long time since i have been on but i need some advice if you may. i now work for a company and i am the only climber, the only one who can fly the bucket i am the only one who can take a tree down. i have ten years under my belt my job title is climber, bucket operator and crew leader my question is to you how much would you pay someone to be a one man show lol? and what would you do in my shoes cause i make 15 dollars a hour to pretty much run this company

 

[jefflovstrom]

Hire another climber. I dont put a guy in a tree unless there is a climber nearby in case of rescue.
Jeff

 

[lone wolf]

advice

more than 15 .00 up to 20.00 or a bit more depends on if you are a fast worker don't break things and show up a good man is hard to find on the other hand maybe things are tough for your boss with this economy and he is struggling if your the only one there i know he could pay you more than that .it depends on your knowledge speed skill and how early you get the job done and many other factors how much does he get a day and i could figure out what you should make how many groundies what they make do you pick up logs or just climb if you pick up logs and drag brush and do whatever is needed to finish your worth 20.00 i would guess

 

[scott t]

i hear ya i hate climbing with people who dont know what they are doing. these guys i work for wont hire anyone else. i have three ground guys that should not even be in this line of work im the only one who can sharpen a saw tie a knot its so frustrating for me cause the slow me down so bad its not funny there last bucket guy didnt even know his knots so i fired him cause he would not learn didnt care and was going to kills some one a cut and thrower without looking for his ground guys what do i do loli could go on for days

 

[scott t]

more than 15 .00 up to 20.00 or a bit more depends on if you are a fast worker don't break things and show up a good man is hard to find on the other hand maybe things are tough for your boss with this economy and he is struggling if your the only one there i know he could pay you more than that .it depends on your knowledge speed skill and how early you get the job done and many other factors how much does he get a day and i could figure out what you should make how many groundies what they make do you pick up logs or just climb if you pick up logs and drag brush and do whatever is needed to finish your worth 20.00 i would guess

im the fastest climber and bucket guy he has ever had is what he told me and i run circles around the ground crew i show up a half hour before anyone else i do what is needed to get the job done but my down fall is i have no drivers licence

 

[lone wolf]

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im the fastest climber and bucket guy he has ever had is what he told me and i run circles around the ground crew i show up a half hour before anyone else i do what is needed to get the job done but my down fall is i have no drivers licence

what do the ground men make ,what do you guys make you boss in one day
then i can tell you what your worth caus he cant give what he dont make

 

[scott t]

what do the ground men make ,what do you guys make you boss in one day
then i can tell you what your worth caus he cant give what he dont make

two guys at 9 one at ten and its between any where from two to four thousand a day

 

[lone wolf]

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if he makes that much and pays you that little he sucks big time how sure are you on those numbers and you sure must work really hard to pull that much money in how mant men?

 

[scott t]

because i have to collect the checks at the end of the job and we work sun up sun down rain snow wind he has made us stay out till 11:30 one night to finish a job in the dark but yeah all he does is the est thats it and there is four of us one cutter three ground guys lol

 

[lone wolf]

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you sound like a hard worker 10 - 12 hrs a day x 15 =150.00 or 180 a day not to bad really in a bad economy but i do think you should get more than that for risking your life ask for more see what happens i think 17 might be fair what say you ?

 

[jefflovstrom]

4 guys at $2000 a day is about right, $4000 a day, ? I cannot believe he is making $1000 per guy per day and jacking you.
Jeff

 

[ckliff]

If your posts are all on the up & up, then I would say take your best groundie & start your own business. There is a lot more to the money angle than you realize, and you will soon learn on your own.

Also, you the only climber? Sorry, but I have no respect for a boss/company owner who cannot or will not climb. You oldsters out there excepted.

 

[scott t]

you sound like a hard worker 10 - 12 hrs a day x 15 =150.00 or 180 a day not to bad really in a bad economy but i do think you should get more than that for risking your life ask for more see what happens i think 17 might be fair what say you ?

he told me we would talk more money in the spring. but i have four kids to raise now lol and thats what i told him

 

[scott t]

If your posts are all on the up & up, then I would say take your best groundie & start your own business. There is a lot more to the money angle than you realize, and you will soon learn on your own.

Also, you the only climber? Sorry, but I have no respect for a boss/company owner who cannot or will not climb. You oldsters out there excepted.

i had my own company for four years and it almost destroyed my marrige so i gave it up and i have no reason to lie i kill my self every day for my wife and my kids

 

[BlackenedTimber]

Scott,

When I was full-time in the biz, I paid my groundies 15 bucks an hour.

When I started I was a one-man show. Eventually I forced my younger sister into indentured servitude to work the ropes for me. She was a great groundie, one of my best.

I trained two of my guys from groundie up to climber, and my top paid climber was making 25 bucks an hour when I shut everything down. The economy was better back then, and I was also making a good chunk of change with timber, so I didn't mind paying my men well.

The one drawback I could see would be the license. I can see that being a hastle if I needed you to run a load somewhere or drive a truck, or whatever, but if you are on time to work and perform your duties satisfactorily, then that shouldn't provide much leverage for your boss when it comes time to talk money.

Maybe your boss is hurting for money. Even making 4k a day, he may have over-extended himself and found himself behind the 8-ball, financially.

A good climber is worth more than 15 bucks to me. It sounds like your more a foreman with all you are required to do. Running his daily operations while trying to feed your wife and 4 kids oughta be worth more than 15/hr to him.

From Robert Greene's "The 48 Laws of Power"- Law 13: When asking for help, appeal to people's self-interest, never to their mercy or grattitude.

Basically what this means, is that you will make alot more headway with your boss by detailing ways that him paying you more will help his business, than by detailing ways that him paying you more will help you and your kids. As much as he may feign interest, he cares more about his busniess and his money than he will ever care about you or your family, and you need to find a way to show him that paying you more is an equitable investment in his business. How you pull that off is up to you.

Good luck,

T

 

[capetrees]

Start looking for a new job. 2-4K per day and thats all he gives back? That's abuse. My ground guy makes $200 per day, (Saturdays only). He doesn't climb, brings nothing to the job and hates to work. Your boss is cheap.

 

[chewbacca]

I'm in about the exact situation as far as responsibility and coworkers is concerned. I'm the only climber and only certified arborist between two branches/offices (two nearby cities), and the only bucket operator for one of the branches. I bounce between the two branches (for climbing jobs) and between two crews/coworkers (frustrating to say the least). We dont bring in as much money as you though. We run a two man crew and bring in an average of $1000 a day. We also don't work as many hours - we only work a couple hours of overtime a week, if that. I make $19.50 an hour. I don't know what your market is like or what competitive wages are in your area but it sounds like you're underpaid. I have to admit the driver's license thing is kind of a big deal though. Are you able to get a license? That has to be holding you back at least a little.

 

[scott t]

yes he is and i have gave him everything i have and some but as far as a new job it dont matter how good i am no one will hire me cause i dont have a licence and that sucks for me cause i have a lot to offer if the chance is give. blackened timber i will give it a try but he strikes me as a one upper allways has to show off what he has but never earned any of it imo thank you all

 

[BlackenedTimber]

People that have money that they have not earned are dangerous. They tend to become vindictive and jealous, and very suspicious of people. I know times are tight, but start looking, even if it takes you a year to find a job thats a good fit for you.

Good luck bro.

 

[Treehound]

two guys at 9 one at ten and its between any where from two to four thousand a day

I think you are a little off on your numbers, none the less with no drivers liscense I wouldn't pay you more than 15 per hr, after you get your driver liscense, then you ask for twenty and he'll pay.

one more thing, don't let this be a one man show. You're the leader get your men on the same page. everyone should be doing things in order and following your lead. then your worth your weight in gold.

be a good leader first