New Chainsaw prep ?

[kf_tree]

How close are you to OC choppers??
Mark

i think i'm about 20 min from those hacks.........i never bother to look for their shop. they do not have a good rep up here with the local bikers........the wanna be's all love them though.

 

[hydro2]

i think i'm about 20 min from those hacks.........i never bother to look for their shop. they do not have a good rep up here with the local bikers........the wanna be's all love them though.

HEE HEE HEE, that is pretty funny! I watch them and think that nothing they really make is all that orginal. All the bikes are about the same and they import many of the parts from other fab shops and don't manufacture them in their own shop.

 

[weimedog]

You would figure after the first one had an issue one might think about
adjusting the others.......at least a spark plug check to see if things
are Ok....or is this a perfect customer for a dealer who likes to sell service.
In particular rebuilds.

I bought a 365 from alamia a couple of years ago. I did mess with the
carb but ended up at the stock settings..the way it came.

 

[Gologit]

You can usually get your local dealer to work on saws you buy online but he's usually not going to put the same priority on getting it back to you as he would a repeat customer who buys his saws there. I'd rather pay a little more on the front end buying from my local saw shops than pay it on the back end through break-downs and down-time. We have Stihl and Husky dealers close by and both have good shop reputation and have been in the area for a lot of years. I can't see either one handing you a saw in a box and saying...just go run it,the factory specs must be right. Thats the reason they've both been around so long. They let common sense prevail over instant profit and thats why I'll continue to deal with them.

 

[kf_tree]

You can usually get your local dealer to work on saws you buy online

i couldn't even get my local dealer to adjust the carb on saw's he sold me...........

 

[john T]

Heres another response from Bailey's :

" Hi John, A Husqvarna 385 xp is sold as power head only , you can
order bar and chain with it from 20 to 36 inches with chains. All you would
have to do upon reciept of this saw is install bar chain, fuel <premix> and
bar oil. You should not have to do any adjustment other than keeping the
chain tensioned properly.

Thanks Doug"

 

[amissionaryman]

Should not does not mean will not. Anyone using power equipment of any kind must at least know when somthing is wrong and seek help. Unless of course you want to destroy said equipment.

God Bless,
Brent J Cox

 

[kf_tree]

Heres another response from Bailey's :

" Hi John, A Husqvarna 385 xp is sold as power head only , you can
order bar and chain with it from 20 to 36 inches with chains. All you would
have to do upon reciept of this saw is install bar chain, fuel <premix> and
bar oil. You should not have to do any adjustment other than keeping the
chain tensioned properly.

Thanks Doug"

i'm really surprised baileys is basicly saying it's ok to run a saw out of the box. thats not cool.

 

[john T]

Baileys didn't really answer my question with that reply so I sent them back another one.

Doug,
So do you adjust the carburetor before you ship it to me?
Or is it assumed that the factory settings are correct and do not need to be
changed?
thanks,
John


The reply:
Yes, The factory settings are good from sea level to about 6000 ft.

 

[skwerl]

The factory settings are 'usually' good, but that doesn't help the person buying the one saw out of ten or twenty that is set too lean. Someone unfamiliar with adjusting carbs wouldn't know if his saw was lean or not, which would lead to a premature death of an otherwise fine chainsaw. Knowing what I know about chainsaws, carbs and the EPA, you can bet your sweet a$$ that I'm going to make sure my saw is set up properly before I put it into service. I lost one saw to a lean carb, unfortunately it was a fixed jet carb without any external adjustment (thanks for nothing, Stihl).

 

[kf_tree]

do a search on ed's forum for 359 357 he broke in a few new ones after a few tanks they were screaming past the max rpms.........he has the tach reading's posted.
the last 372 i broke in has the results posted there as well. run them hard out of the box and they will not last.

 

[SawTroll]

Baileys didn't really answer my question with that reply so I sent them back another one.

Doug,
So do you adjust the carburetor before you ship it to me?
Or is it assumed that the factory settings are correct and do not need to be
changed?
thanks,
John


The reply:
Yes, The factory settings are good from sea level to about 6000 ft.

:bang: :angry2:

i couldn't even get my local dealer to adjust the carb on saw's he sold me...........

:bang: :bang: Even worse!!!!


.....but I know similar things happen at some box-store like Stihl and Jred/Partner dealers over here too.

 

[Gumneck]

If Bailey's is a sponsor on this site, shouldn't they be involved in this thread. I'd really like to know a lot more about this subject and why there saying no adjmt needed etc.

 

[john T]

If Bailey's is a sponsor on this site, shouldn't they be involved in this thread. I'd really like to know a lot more about this subject and why there saying no adjmt needed etc.

This thread was not intended to Bash Baileys or anyone else.
Just had to say that.

BUT,
I am just trying to get some honest information about buying a saw.

If Bailey's wants to get in on the thread, I would be happy to hear what they have to say.

To be honest, I take a lot more stock in what the working members have to say about equipment rather than a company trying to sell me something. No offense.

You guys work everyday with these saws and when they blow up, you pay for them.
I respect your opinion.

Which leads me to have serious doubts about buying ANYTHING from Bailey's until they give proper explanation.

OK, there it is,
Being a "newbee" I didn't want to get off on the wrong foot, but this is just not sitting well with me.

your up, Baileys.

 

[john T]

I purposely left out the last name of the man that replied back to me.
I don't want to kick the messenger...

If Baileys wants his name I will be happy to give it up.

I'm sure he is just doing his job.

Look, It's common sense,
Like said previously,
The company does NOT want to mail a saw that has had gas in it.
FINE.


But don't try to blow smoke up my ass and tell me the saw is " good to go"

:bang:

 

[davefr]

IMHO the out of the box setting is just a starting point. It's imcumbant on the saw's operator to judge the performance of the saw over time and take the necessary steps needs to ensure it's properly adjusted/maintained. (ie learn the symptoms of an overly lean condition and adjust the saw yourself or find somethat that can).

When you buy a chainsaw think of it as a partially assembled kit. I start by opening the muffler, making the carb adjustable, getting rid of the safety chain, breaking it in, and adjusting it properly. Once all that is done the job is complete.

 

[toolfreak]

The fact that I am a toolmaker by trade and machinist at heart causes me to go through every saw as soon as I get it home (and everything else for that matter). I dont care what the hell any punk says about how task ready they are out of the box. I just makes me feel better knowing that everything is as it should be after my hands have touched it. I have seen display saws on the shelves in a lowes store that had the nuts wrenched down on the bars without the tensioner being in the slot. Makes me wonder what else is messed up. There needs to signs in these places that state, Children and Employees Don't Touch!

 

[Grande Dog]

I'll probably catch some flack over this but, here goes. I never use tach's to set saws. I have checked rpm's with a tach after the saw was set just for my own curios. I've never let this rpm check sway my initial adjustment either way. The reason I went to this method is that sometimes we would set up a bunch of saws for one customer. They are all the same models with the same bars and chains. You set them with a tach and could feel a performance difference between saws. Then I would set them using the earbone and could find as much as 500 or more rpm's difference between some of them. Using a tachometer is going to become more and more useless as the manufacturers start implementing ignitions with limiters. The whole thing really hinges on the saw in the cut with the average size and type of wood the saw is going to be cutting. If you're going to go with optimum longevity of the saw, set it for the heaviest load the it will be used for. This means you'll lose performance on smaller cuts. If you set it for the smaller cuts you have the possibility of a lean running condition at maximum cut size. Altitude is the biggest contributing factor for really poor performance out of the box. Bailey's has been shipping the Husqvarna's for 30 years now. I've been involved with shipping them for over 20 years. I would say that maybe 1 in a thousand won't start at all through no fault of the customer. About 10 out of a thousand are operator errors (flooded or fuel and bar oil getting in the wrong tank). 100 out of a thousand will start and run most of their service life without any adjustment. That leaves a little under 90% of them that will either need initial adjustment or adjustment during the break-in period for peak performance with the bar and chain they are to be operated with. I'm sure these numbers would vary greatly if you were to look at commercial users compared to occasional users but, I don't have any way to discern between the two. If you're putting food on the table with your saw, you have to know whether it running right out of the box or hours down the road. I'm not saying you have to know how to fix it but, you need to know when it needs to be fixed. I hope these numbers can help you make a informed decision whether you by from us or a your local dealer.

Grande Dog
Master Mechanic
Discount Arborist Equipment and Tree Care Supplies

 

[460Ted]

This was the biggest help for me. Conditions change, and what works one day will then change the next due to changes in the weather/season.
http://www.madsens1.com/sawtune.htm

Ted

 

[john T]

Thanks Grande dog.
I guess I would have been happier if the sales guy just came out and said.
"The saw may need some minor carb adjustment as time goes on.. "

also thanks for the tuning info, 460ted
good stuff. I will use it.


I sold my old 268 a while back and Just bought a new 385xp

(to cut up my years worth of firewood )