bvaught
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Elmore said:
Can we get back to the real question in this thread? How will the gas formulations change because of "relaxed" rules? Hopefully we will get less environmentally friendly fuel that our machines prefer.
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Can we get back to the real question in this thread? How will the gas formulations change because of "relaxed" rules? Hopefully we will get less environmentally friendly fuel that our machines prefer.
gatkeper1
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There are currently I believe 41 different regional blends of gasoline.
The relaxation of the regs will allow these different regulatory regions to share fuel stocks from each other. It also opens up the possibility of being able to use some of the European's gasoline reserves.
Our problem is not an oil problem, we have the stock in the pipelines and the strategic reserves, but the reserves are crude oil. We need gasoline and diesel.
We lack refineries to produce it, none have been built in 25 years thanks to the environmental wackos.
This country runs on petroleum products,like it or not.
Kyoto or not doesn't matter, How would that have helped todays problem?
This problem was 30 yrs in the making.
What could we have done differently, nuclear,wind,solar,hydroelectric. what ?Oh thats right these are not allowed thanks to the wackos.
What we need is independence from the oil fascists of the world.Lets drill were we find it and refine it here. There is claimed to be 300+ yrs of oil in the Canadian oil sands alone.
The relaxation of the regs will allow these different regulatory regions to share fuel stocks from each other. It also opens up the possibility of being able to use some of the European's gasoline reserves.
Our problem is not an oil problem, we have the stock in the pipelines and the strategic reserves, but the reserves are crude oil. We need gasoline and diesel.
We lack refineries to produce it, none have been built in 25 years thanks to the environmental wackos.
This country runs on petroleum products,like it or not.
Kyoto or not doesn't matter, How would that have helped todays problem?
This problem was 30 yrs in the making.
What could we have done differently, nuclear,wind,solar,hydroelectric. what ?Oh thats right these are not allowed thanks to the wackos.
What we need is independence from the oil fascists of the world.Lets drill were we find it and refine it here. There is claimed to be 300+ yrs of oil in the Canadian oil sands alone.
Montana's governor is pushing for coal to gas and diesel conversion. Fisher- Tropsch technology.
http://www.ble.org/pr/news/headline.asp?id=14378
http://www.ble.org/pr/news/headline.asp?id=14378
Bob Wright
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It means the Vapor end points have been relaxed, they can add a little more Butane and make the gas go farther...Bob
Thank god! Kyoto is nothing but wealth redistribution on a global scale. The biggest polluters in the world, IE china and India are not even effected byt he treaty. BTW has canada even ratified yet? Besides the scienece behind the whole global warming theing isnt to sound IMO.
You will. Although vapor lock may be more of a issue for you guys int he south.bvaught said:
bwalker said:
Ben you mist my point, which is not Kyoto, but rather that he is helping out his oil maggots and cronies.
Crony: Noun
A close friend who accompanies his buddies in their activities.
But perhaps we need not worry needlessly as 3-4 more months of this and many people will be out of a job so they will not need to purchase gas as we be in to a recession and they will be at home.
Lobo, I think you need a tinfoil hat. In case you havent noticed this event hasnt helped the oil companies any.
Its a supply and demand thing.
Its a supply and demand thing.
Fish
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Quick, someone say "chainsaw".
Ooops, I forgot, I left the forum.
Ooops, I forgot, I left the forum.
BlueRidgeMark
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Chainsaw!
Sharpening! Mix! Pitch! Modded! Bar length!
Hey, I may be a newbie, but I've learned the buzzwords!
Sharpening! Mix! Pitch! Modded! Bar length!
Hey, I may be a newbie, but I've learned the buzzwords!
BlueRidgeMark
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And if anyone doesn't think that's insanity, well, the insanity is on their part.
Elmore
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I will reinterate, "The tragedy of Hurricane Katrina aside, when George W Bush was elected Big Oil came with him. Supply disruptions occurred simultaneously with increases in demand. Supply disruptions mean higher prices. Higher prices mean more profit for the big corporations and the traders. Why did we go to war in Iraq? It wasn't due to a threat, terrorism, WMDs or even human rights. I believe it was for the designs of Big Oil and other related large corporate interests with close ties to the chicken hawks that are in power. Follow the paper trail...the money. With the present leadership in this country. the common man hasn't a chance."bwalker said:
The current administration's lack of sound vision, its irresponsible actions and failed policies are not conducive to an orderly, strong and growing society. It's good for Big Oil and their shareholders though.
Key statement here, "The tragedy of Hurricane Katrina aside..."
Blowdown1
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The other point being missed is the fact that refinery capacity, while close to max, is not maxed out, so that is somewhat of a specious argument. Now that Louisiana's/regional capacity is diminished there will probably be an impact.
Going along Elmore's line though, big oil is seeing record profits right now and they just got another big hit off the government tit, courtesy of you and I. So while people bemoan welfare we keep giving corporations big handouts and nobody complains, because at least there some of it comes back in the form of reasonably cheap gas. But now some big chickens are coming home to roost. It chaps my a$$ that I am subsidizing not only the oil companies but everyone that drives an H2 or some other piece of gas-guzzling crap because it looks cool, not because it actually serves a purpose. And they are usually the same ones waving the flag.
Average MPG is lower than it was 20 years ago, SUV/truck sales are up, and gas consumption is up. So the EPA/enviro wackos are not to be blamed for the mess. That is like saying Republicans are responsible for the drug problem because they won't legalise heroin.
Besides, most of our oil consumption is for vehicles, so nukes/solar/etc won't solve that issue. As for drilling in ANWR and other places, we simply don't have the oil to satisfy our demand. ANWR production is 10+ years away and will provide less than 1 year of our total annual demand at current rates once they do tap it. Then what?
Oh, and did we forget that under the revised CAFE standards that are being considered, large trucks and SUVs (the most popular vehicles) will be exempted. So there is a glimpse of how backwards (and oil friendly) W's policies are. The only good thing is I have hedged my bets by profiting from some oil and gas stocks.
Going along Elmore's line though, big oil is seeing record profits right now and they just got another big hit off the government tit, courtesy of you and I. So while people bemoan welfare we keep giving corporations big handouts and nobody complains, because at least there some of it comes back in the form of reasonably cheap gas. But now some big chickens are coming home to roost. It chaps my a$$ that I am subsidizing not only the oil companies but everyone that drives an H2 or some other piece of gas-guzzling crap because it looks cool, not because it actually serves a purpose. And they are usually the same ones waving the flag.
Average MPG is lower than it was 20 years ago, SUV/truck sales are up, and gas consumption is up. So the EPA/enviro wackos are not to be blamed for the mess. That is like saying Republicans are responsible for the drug problem because they won't legalise heroin.
Besides, most of our oil consumption is for vehicles, so nukes/solar/etc won't solve that issue. As for drilling in ANWR and other places, we simply don't have the oil to satisfy our demand. ANWR production is 10+ years away and will provide less than 1 year of our total annual demand at current rates once they do tap it. Then what?
Oh, and did we forget that under the revised CAFE standards that are being considered, large trucks and SUVs (the most popular vehicles) will be exempted. So there is a glimpse of how backwards (and oil friendly) W's policies are. The only good thing is I have hedged my bets by profiting from some oil and gas stocks.
BlueRidgeMark
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ANWR and other resources, precisely because we've let left-wing envirowackos use bogus 'science' to stop us from developing those resources.
Blowdown1
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bogus science like the FACT that the polar ice cap has reduced in size by over a third in the past two decades?
Get off the pipe dude. And the FACT is still that there is less than a year's supply of oil in ANWR. And the tas payer will heavily subsidize exploration and drilling there to get that measly little bit. FACT.
So I guess the lesson is piss on everything for short-term gain and then we'll figure out solving the resulting problems after the fact. We are reaping the fruits of the policy right now via middle-eastern oil.
Get off the pipe dude. And the FACT is still that there is less than a year's supply of oil in ANWR. And the tas payer will heavily subsidize exploration and drilling there to get that measly little bit. FACT.
So I guess the lesson is piss on everything for short-term gain and then we'll figure out solving the resulting problems after the fact. We are reaping the fruits of the policy right now via middle-eastern oil.
Presently the USA's largest energy supplier is Canada, I believe at about 40% of your imports and we can supply much more, so can many other countries also, Saudi Arabia as an example can supply double what they supply presently. However if supplies were too increase by that much the laws of supply and demand would drive the prices down both in the USA and Canada and oil company profits would tumble.
12 years ago, east of Montreal there were 7 refineries in operation, these were even supplying parts of the eastern U.S with gas products, now there are only 2 to supply a good part of eastern Canada and no longer anything in the U.S.
Gas prices have gone up 300% here in 10 years and the oil companies are screaming famine. I am sure the same has gone on in the U.S as our oil companies are cross-border.
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12 years ago, east of Montreal there were 7 refineries in operation, these were even supplying parts of the eastern U.S with gas products, now there are only 2 to supply a good part of eastern Canada and no longer anything in the U.S.
Gas prices have gone up 300% here in 10 years and the oil companies are screaming famine. I am sure the same has gone on in the U.S as our oil companies are cross-border.
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And the Antarctic polar cap is growing. So what?
More like 17%.
BTW I think the oil bubble is going to bust. The current market isnt being driven by fundamentals so much as speculator fueled madness. the chickens will come home to roost and we will be back to 30-40 dollar per barrel oil.
Ben, a couple of years back I read a report from the bank of Canada stating they estimated crude prices would be around $125.00 per barrel by 2015, which was going to be great for Alberta and make our tax investments in the tar sands finally very profitable. The president of the Canadian oil companies association last week on the news commented oil prices might stabilize at approx. $62.00 - $64.00 for a while later on this year. I am sure you probably saw that also on the tube in northern Ontario. So I seriously doubt we will ever see $30-$40 crude again.
But what do I know, I am only repeating what I have read and learned from someone else or seen on the tube.
But what do I know, I am only repeating what I have read and learned from someone else or seen on the tube.
bvaught
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bwalker said:
God I hope you are right, environmentalist or not oil is still cheap at $70 a gallon. But the cheaper it is the better the economy and the more chainsaws I get to buy, airplanes I get to fly, and motorcycles I get to ride.
bman
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I Love the money angle on GW. I'm sure he sits alone in the oval office at a desk and pulls out his check book, staring at the ledger and wondering how can he add to the six zeros already there cause it just ain't enough I mean come on people hes got more money than he could ever spend in three lifetimes, do you really think hes worried about money? The guy actually gos out side and cuts wood with a saw on his ranch, seen on a news clip, hes wearing a dorky hat and safety goggles and gloves, just like the rest of us Saturday morning dorks trying to spruce up the yard.
I just bust a gut at some of the ludicrous analogies attached to the guy, like him trying to poison the water supply! Do any of the Bush bashers realize what the leading cause of death was at the turn of 20th century.... water Bourne illness! Geez lighten up and enjoy life, GW is not out to get you. Say I wonder if he uses MXt2. I bet those Texas boys are loyal to the local dealer, probably using Stihl premium. Well I guess that is one knock on the guy.
I just bust a gut at some of the ludicrous analogies attached to the guy, like him trying to poison the water supply! Do any of the Bush bashers realize what the leading cause of death was at the turn of 20th century.... water Bourne illness! Geez lighten up and enjoy life, GW is not out to get you. Say I wonder if he uses MXt2. I bet those Texas boys are loyal to the local dealer, probably using Stihl premium. Well I guess that is one knock on the guy.
