New Jonsered program arrived today

[WKEND LUMBERJAK]

i cant confirm or deny the existence of the 572xp with auto tune and "inboard clutch". but i have indeed been running a saw with no name and no specs that im not allowed to talk about , so dont ask :hmm3grin2orange:

You sir are TEASE.:help::help::msp_tongue::msp_tongue: Not asking????? Okay I'll be the first not to ask.:cool2:

 

[WetGunPowder]

subscribing-seeing we have no idea WTF is going on in our part of the country!

 

[tlandrum]

my distributor doesnt know much either. i did manage to score a 2153 from him. he picked it from another dealer and transfered it to me. i dont know if im going to sell it or put it on the shelf for myself in the future.

 

[dl5205]

I am sorry to say it likely has an inboard clutch, and I have no idea regarding the specs....

My post was mostly a lark (note the 'Auto-Tronic'). I have lately been wondering if there were any 371 prototypes that had an Outboard.

I think we're all envisioning an overgrown 562.

The questions are, How many cc, How many Kw, Is it Over/Under 14#?

The OutBoard, I know, Is just wishful thinking on my part.

 

[SawTroll]

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The OutBoard, I know, Is just wishful thinking on my part.

I also was hoping for that initially, but that hope was "killed" along the way.
It doesn't really surprice me, as the rather minor advantages of the inboard is much easier to see (by the average costumer) than the more important advantages of the outboard.

I guess we are a bit off topic though, even if it may affect Jonsered in the long run. :smile2:

 

[Philbert]

. . . the rather minor advantages of the inboard is much easier to see (by the average costumer) than the more important advantages of the outboard.

ST, please remind me of the outboard advantages again. They sure aren't changing the chain, or sprocket, or cleaning out wood chips. I know there are some, but I always forget when I try to explain them to people.

Thanks.

Philbert

 

[spike60]

my distributor doesnt know much either. i did manage to score a 2153 from him. he picked it from another dealer and transfered it to me. i dont know if im going to sell it or put it on the shelf for myself in the future.

There will be no more 2153's, or any of the other outgoing models that were recently being sold by Tilton.

Also in the new letter was an explanation that the cause for the 4-8 week delay was that production had to be ramped up to build US spec saws. The time involved has a lot to do with the number of models involved. All models are not built simultainously each in their own little corner of the plant. I'm sure there are several manufacturing lines going at once, but they do a runs of particular chassis and then switch over to something else. So, the saws will become available a couple at a time, not all at once.

 

[BloodOnTheIce]

There will be no more 2153's, or any of the other outgoing models that were recently being sold by Tilton.

Also in the new letter was an explanation that the cause for the 4-8 week delay was that production had to be ramped up to build US spec saws. The time involved has a lot to do with the number of models involved. All models are not built simultainously each in their own little corner of the plant. I'm sure there are several manufacturing lines going at once, but they do a runs of particular chassis and then switch over to something else. So, the saws will become available a couple at a time, not all at once.

I haven't been paying attention, so who do I have to sign up with to be a Jonsered dealer?

 

[moody]

i cant confirm or deny the existence of the 572xp with auto tune and "inboard clutch". but i have indeed been running a saw with no name and no specs that im not allowed to talk about , so dont ask :hmm3grin2orange:

All I want to is does it make sticker peck out in excitement to run it ?

 

[tlandrum]

it just may do that :help:

 

[spike60]

I haven't been paying attention, so who do I have to sign up with to be a Jonsered dealer?

Steven Willand INC out of NJ. Our long time Red Max dist. Real good people.

 

[SawTroll]

There will be no more 2153's, or any of the other outgoing models that were recently being sold by Tilton.

Also in the new letter was an explanation that the cause for the 4-8 week delay was that production had to be ramped up to build US spec saws. The time involved has a lot to do with the number of models involved. All models are not built simultainously each in their own little corner of the plant. I'm sure there are several manufacturing lines going at once, but they do a runs of particular chassis and then switch over to something else. So, the saws will become available a couple at a time, not all at once.

That is to be expected, when they didn't stock up before the change of distributers. Sorry to say so, but this looks like it could likely have been handled better - but I wasn't there, and there could be contract issues that kept them from doing that? :msp_confused:

 

[SawTroll]

ST, please remind me of the outboard advantages again. They sure aren't changing the chain, or sprocket, or cleaning out wood chips. I know there are some, but I always forget when I try to explain them to people.

Thanks.

Philbert

The handling qualities of the saw is the most notisable one, then there are the "pull" from the sprocket being closer to the nearest crank bearing (putting less strain on it), better cooling, and easier cleaning of the clutch.

 

[dl5205]

ST, please remind me of the outboard advantages again. They sure aren't changing the chain, or sprocket, or cleaning out wood chips. I know there are some, but I always forget when I try to explain them to people.

Thanks.

Philbert

Not Troll, but I'll answer anyway.

Outboard clutches allow for a slimmer crankcase design. They put the 'strain' of the chain drive closer to the center of the crank. They run cooler. They're not harder to clean, quite to the contrary. They have no E-clips to lose. Anyone with basic motor skills can change a bar and chain on an Outboard setup within ~.3 seconds of what it takes on an inboard.

Inboard's only Real advantage is if you're pinched, and have to remove the powerhead from the B/C. Even this can usually be accomplished on an outboard saw.

For someone that knows how, rim drive changes aren't really any harder/slower on an outboard than inboard, and no darn E-clips to lose.

I LOVE my 372, but I don't like E-clips.

That said, I think the stihl 044/440 is one of the all-time great saw designs. Just not better than a 372.

I don't like E-clips.

 

[dl5205]

Took me longer to type than Nikko.

 

[phil21502]

So are the 2166 and 2172 gonna still be available or are they getting the axe too?

 

[dl5205]

I'd guess that when the "2272"/"2266" comes online (may be a couple of years or more), the 2166/2172 will be disco'd.

If I had extra spare cash, I'd pick up a 2159, and I don't even really like 60cc'ers.

 

[SawTroll]

Not Troll, but I'll answer anyway.

Outboard clutches allow for a slimmer crankcase design. They put the 'strain' of the chain drive closer to the center of the crank. They run cooler. They're not harder to clean, quite to the contrary. They have no E-clips to lose. Anyone with basic motor skills can change a bar and chain on an Outboard setup within ~.3 seconds of what it takes on an inboard.

Inboard's only Real advantage is if you're pinched, and have to remove the powerhead from the B/C. Even this can usually be accomplished on an outboard saw.

For someone that knows how, rim drive changes aren't really any harder/slower on an outboard than inboard, and no darn E-clips to lose.

I LOVE my 372, but I don't like E-clips.

That said, I think the stihl 044/440 is one of the all-time great saw designs. Just not better than a 372.

I don't like E-clips.

Extra e-clips for the 372xp and the MS361 is part of my "standard wood package" - not a big deal really, when you are prepared. Otherwise I agree with you! :msp_thumbup:

 

[CATDIESEL]

Not Troll, but I'll answer anyway.

Outboard clutches allow for a slimmer crankcase design. They put the 'strain' of the chain drive closer to the center of the crank. They run cooler. They're not harder to clean, quite to the contrary. They have no E-clips to lose. Anyone with basic motor skills can change a bar and chain on an Outboard setup within ~.3 seconds of what it takes on an inboard.

Inboard's only Real advantage is if you're pinched, and have to remove the powerhead from the B/C. Even this can usually be accomplished on an outboard saw.

For someone that knows how, rim drive changes aren't really any harder/slower on an outboard than inboard, and no darn E-clips to lose.

I LOVE my 372, but I don't like E-clips.

That said, I think the stihl 044/440 is one of the all-time great saw designs. Just not better than a 372.

I don't like E-clips.

funny you should post this. i happen to have both a 346xp and an ms260 torn down to bare cases right now. the bar and chains are both mounted to the case, and no closer to the center on either unit.. the 260pro case is actually a little slimmer than the 346. i would imagine the outboard clutch will run a little cooler. the 260 will set upright no problem with the bar mounted, and we all know you might as well lay the 346 on its side, because that is how it will end up. so the balance and center of gravity thing is nothing more than a myth to cover up the fact that husky has not, or does not desire to make an inboard clutch work on a saw, while all other manufactures have. the out board design went to the wayside in the 70's for most manufactures, for obvious reasons. e-clips do not get lost if you know how to remove them, and b & c are alot easier to deal with. i cannot think of last time i had to remove a driver in the field anyway. having the clutch and break mechanism on the outside only complicates a simple design, and them there is the whole "sideways balance" thing, what a bunch of poo poo!!!

 

[spike60]

So are the 2166 and 2172 gonna still be available or are they getting the axe too?

They are both on the program and will be with us for a while. Keep in mind that this chassis got the strato treatment a couple years ago and are therefore EPA compliant. The replacement is coming, but it's not as urgent as with the 346/2153 and 359/2159 families.