New MS460 Issues

[litefoot]

I have a 460 with about 4 tanks of fuel through it cutting firewood this season. Frankly, I'm underwhelmed with it so far. Even with new Stihl chains, it doesn't cut much faster than my 50cc Jonsered. The Jonsered is all I've used (about 5 years of cutting firewood and several seasons of storm cleanup), so I have nothing against which to judge the Stihl except little Jonny. Jonny doesn't care what elevation I cut (the Stihl seems to be a little more finicky that way). Jonny starts on 3 pulls (the Stihl takes several more).

Now the Stihl appears to have quit oiling or at least getting oil to the bar. The chain is pretty dry, but when I pull the sprocket cover, there are gobs of oil under there. I checked the oil inlet hole on the bar, cleaned the crud out of the bar groove and turned the oiler screw to full clockwise. Didn't seem to help. Any ideas?

I bought the 460 based on many of your positive comments and because of the recommendation of a logger friend. It was, to me, a major investment. Maybe I expected too much. Hopefully it will liven up after it breaks in.

 

[THALL10326]

I have a 460 with about 4 tanks of fuel through it cutting firewood this season. Frankly, I'm underwhelmed with it so far. Even with new Stihl chains, it doesn't cut much faster than my 50cc Jonsered. The Jonsered is all I've used (about 5 years of cutting firewood and several seasons of storm cleanup), so I have nothing against which to judge the Stihl except little Jonny. Jonny doesn't care what elevation I cut (the Stihl seems to be a little more finicky that way). Jonny starts on 3 pulls (the Stihl takes several more).

Now the Stihl appears to have quit oiling or at least getting oil to the bar. The chain is pretty dry, but when I pull the sprocket cover, there are gobs of oil under there. I checked the oil inlet hole on the bar, cleaned the crud out of the bar groove and turned the oiler screw to full clockwise. Didn't seem to help. Any ideas?

I bought the 460 based on many of your positive comments and because of the recommendation of a logger friend. It was, to me, a major investment. Maybe I expected too much. Hopefully it will liven up after it breaks in.

If that 460 wont dust that 50cc J'red bigtime you need to take it back to the dealer ASAP,something is wrong. As for the oiler how much oil is left in the tank when you run a full tank of fuel through it, assuming you filled them both at the start. The oil tank should have about a 1/4 tank left in it if its oiling correctly.

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

I've been in the tree service for over 20 years, and run a wide spectrum of saws on a daily basis. The Stihl 460 is arguably on of the best saws ever made.
Something is wrong.

 

[John464]

I've been in the tree service for over 20 years, and run a wide spectrum of saws on a daily basis. The Stihl 460 is arguably on of the best saws ever made.
Something is wrong.

agreed my MS460 with a 32" bar and full chisel chain cuts big and fast! the 460 is my favorite saw

 

[rahtreelimbs]

With that outlay of cash it is dealer time!

 

[Just Mow]

get it to your dealer to see whats wrong. Because something is.

 

[sawinredneck]

GET IT TO THE DEALER STUPID FAST AND QUIT CUTTING WITH IT!!!!!!! That thing should smoke anything in the 50cc class in a heartbeat!!
Andy

 

[Lakeside53]

If was to say anything, it would only be what's been said already!

 

[Ombesb]

I am not a pro sawer like many on here but I had the exact same problem on a new 046 w/28" bar. No oil. I would clean everything and it would oil. then go cutting and the chain would run dry. Long story short, after trips to the dealer and the usual , what kind of oil are you using ?? do you know how to adjust the oiler?? are you pushing the saw into the wood, etc, blahblah. I got to looking real close and found that the oil hole where it intersected the groove in the bar had never been finished out. It was just a bored hole with a perfect fishook facing back towards where all the chips would be coming from. Naturally it caught them in a hurry..... no oil. I took a miniture file set and laid out the oil hole into the groove and ......... oil. No more problems. A minor quality control problem that caused real grief for a little while, but easy to fix. If that is the problem. I always watch for that now in a new bar.

 

[woodfarmer]

in my book the jonsered is a faster cutting saw than the stihls, and yes i own both brands.

 

[rupedoggy]

Send me that Stihl and I will send you a 50cc Jonsered. We will both be happy. Mike

 

[carvinmark]

Sorry to hear about your problems. I miss my 460, it was a bad azz saw!
Mark

 

[tek9tim]

in my book the jonsered is a faster cutting saw than the stihls, and yes i own both brands.

That aside, the considerable gap in displacment will more than make up for the jonsered being "a faster cutting saw". Now, if it was a Stihl 260, we'd have something to talk about.

 

[GASoline71]

Not to sound like a jerk... but... You didn't put the chain on backwards dijya?:biggrinbounce2:

Gary

 

[fishhuntcutwood]

Even with new Stihl chains...

Are they safety chains? That 460 should smoke check even a 60 cc saw. The saw is either jacked up or you're expecting it to cut like a hot saw, which it won't stock.

 

[fishhuntcutwood]

Not to sound like a jerk... but... You didn't put the chain on backwards dijya?:biggrinbounce2:

Gary

Nice try Gary. Everyone here knows you're a jerk! :hmm3grin2orange:

Still enjoying retirement, my friend?

 

[GASoline71]

Nice try Gary. Everyone here knows you're a jerk! :hmm3grin2orange:

Still enjoying retirement, my friend?

Who me???

HaHaHa!!!

Retired life is awesome bro!!!

Gary

 

[computeruser]

in my book the jonsered is a faster cutting saw than the stihls, and yes i own both brands.

"The Stihls" = which models? "The Jonsered" = what model? And in what size wood? I'm interested to hear the details.


Bac on point - tuning will get you part of the way, but at the end of the day there is no way that the original poster's 50cc saw will out cut a modern 70+ cc saw that is properly tuned and properly operating unless the 50cc has had some serious porting and all.

 

[litefoot]

Yep, the chain is on the right direction (doesn't hurt to ask). I'm using full comp chisel. Look guys, I was probably a bit torqued when I first posted, because I have had a little difficulty getting the 460 tuned for elevation (richened up), and the cutting speed is less than I expected. As "fishhuntncut" said, I'm mistakenly expecting hot saw performance based on what I've read here, and due to the fact that I've not cut with any other saw except my 50cc Jonny. Plus I'm sure my poor sawing techniques don't make full use of the 460's capabilities.

Of course the 460 is faster, but I'm hoping it will wake up a bit more after it breaks in. I apologize if I sounded like a troll. I'll take it to the dealer and have him run it in some wood, see if it feels right to him and let him check the oiler.

Thanks for letting me blow off some steam.

 

[fishhuntcutwood]

Of course the 460 is faster, but I'm hoping it will wake up a bit more after it breaks in. I apologize if I sounded like a troll. I'll take it to the dealer and have him run it in some wood, see if it feels right to him and let him check the oiler.

Thanks for letting me blow off some steam.

Dude, not a problem at all. Does it have the dual port cover on it? Most of the 046/460 glory stories you've read on here involve at least the dual port muffler cover. Makes a big difference. And yes, it will liven up as it breaks in.