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All i wanted to know from the first is if the bottle would help me compare to saws that run on alcohol. We're not worried about the instalation. I'm not using a stock saw and putting the bottle on it, we realize that there is a lot of side effects. No hard feelings just wanted to know what the results would be power wise.
 
HUH??

You have been watching to much Fast and Furious. What is NOX?? I'll tell you since you obviously don't know. It's Oxides of Nitrogen. One of five gases used by exhaust gas analyzers to determine emissions output on modern automobiles. If you don't know what a backfire or a hydro- lock is then you have no business posting to this thread. I will not even explain it to you. Take your uninformed opinions elsewhere.
 
I can't help it.

I can't help myself. I have to explain this. Lets's talk physics for a moment. An object in motion tends to stay in motion unless acted upon by an outside force. The average operating RPM of a chainsaw is above 10,000. If you stuff 25hp worth of fuel and nitrous in there it will take up more room than the combustion chamber will allow. The piston traveling up at roughly 800mph slams into the liquid and stops. (that's the outside force in case you didn't know) The result....you guessed it Einstein. A hydro lock! As far as a backfire is concerned well, I'll leave to you to ponder this for awhile first then we'll handle that.

Regards,

S. Fixer
 
What is NOX??
I should have been NOS-Nitrous Oxide System. I am aware of what NOX is.
The piston traveling up at roughly 800mph slams into the liquid and stops.
Which might actually happen if you through your saw into a pond at wide open throttle. A hydro lock with fuel is impossoble for several reason. First off all liquid fuel doesnt enter the combustion chamber, second of if enough fuel where entering the chamber to cause what you are describing the motor would not run as it would be way to rich for ignition. Simply put, smart guy, hydro locking is not a method of failure in a two strock engine unless water is involved. As for a back fire. Back fires occure because of a large quantity of overly rich mixture makes it into the muffler(ie misfire) where it is ignited. It can cause damge to the muffler, but doesnt damage anything else.
 
Jesus, Ben, have you seen the "Preview Reply" button?  You might do well to use it and too [hahaha] carefully evaluate your replies before you submit them.

NOX is that orange cloud you occasionally see emanating from the stack at a coal-fired power-generating station.  (It's amazing how many people think the EGR valve on their car engine's purpose is to re-introduce unburned fuel to the combustion chamber and not to instead provide inert gas to lessen the temperature and thus prevent formation of NOX.)  It should have been NOS, like you said, and that simple error would have been caught by a preview.

This time you'd have caught:

through -> threw
impossoble -> impossible
way to rich -> way too rich
two strock engine -> two-stroke engine
occure [old English spelling?] -> occur

I usually look the other way and don't be a spelling cop, but you're seemingly too intelligent to let such stuff consistently pass.

I'd bet most people consider a backfire to be the burning of the fuel mixture in the intake tract for some reason (way too early ignition?), and not the result of a misfire loading the exhaust system with a volatile mixture, though some do call that a backfire as well.  Wouldn't that actually be an afterfire?

I hope I didn't misuse correctly-spelled words, especially in this post...

Glen
 
Whatever

You bore me with your lack of knowledge. I understand the mixture would be way too rich for combustion. If it burned you wouldn't have a problem. The fuel can't burn thus creating a pool of liquid which is forced through the transfer ports to the top of the piston or combustion chamber. The fact that it can't be ignited doesn't mean the process stops instantly. Have your ever heard of momentum or inertia. Do you think the saw stops instantly when you hit the kill switch. Boy I sure hope not. Anyway, smart guy, (HEE HEE) the inertia carrys the piston into the pool of fuel. We all know that a liquid can't be compressed. The pressure results in the piston stopping in a very large hurry and usually causes failure of some portion of the rotating assembly. That is what I would call a hyro-lock.
 
I forgot

I like your definition of a backfire! It was good until you to tried to do the "i.e. misfire thing". You really pooped in your shoe with that one! While you're cleaning it out I will explain myself further. I assumed, which was a dumb considering the source, that you knew what I was talking about when I said backfire. I should have explained it better. I was talking about a lean misfire which is sometimes called a backfire. This occurs when you introduce too much air or nitrous and not enough fuel. The mixture explodes before the intake port can be covered and you get a blow back through your carb. Normally this wouldn't be a big deal but when you are introducing nitrous and fuel the mixture tends to get a little unstable and the explosion can cause the carb to take a ride across the county. I wasn't being literal there. Anyway, good luck with this one. I hope I spelled everything right.

SF
 
sawfixer
Who are you telling to take their opinions elsewhere ? I never once asked what it was. What is the big deal ? Anyways we got it on and running late last night. I tried it today in a 10 x 10 poplar, i cut 3 cuts in 3.59 seconds. I still have to get my pipe on. Is that pretty good time ?
 
what??!

o64 stihl,

I believe you started this post. I believe you asked everyone's opinion. I'm glad someone got your saw working. Good luck, happy cutting. Hope you bought lots of pistons.


Bwalker,

I think I know where this got off track. The thread started talking about nitrous oxide injection. All along I have been assuming that fuel was being injected with a solenoid. Did we get our signals crossed somewhere and forget that the additional fuel was being injected not pulled in through normal aspiration?? Just curious!

SF
 
I think you're all missing the point. This thread has nothing to do with NOS, NOX or Nitro.

064 Stihl is beginner.

We should just let sh!tforbrains give him an old Shindiawa and everything will be OK.
 
Sawfixer(I bet), The conditions(hydrolock) you describe cannot and never have happened. We are talking about a carb and or a simple solenoid here, not a garden hose dumping fuel into the motor. And BTW you bore me with your stupidity.

Glens, The spelling was attrocious, but I was in a hurry and spelling never was my forte'.
 
Hey Ben, I caught myself a little too.&nbsp; It occurred to me on the way home that HTML provides perfectly for, instead of NOX, the correct representation: NO<sub>X</sub>.

Glen
 
OK

Bwalker,

I tried to give you an out but you are just not that bright. 25hp on a motor that barely makes five is like taking a "garden hose" and dumping fuel in there. I have looked around this site and 90% percent of your posts are negative. I guess I shouldn't have expected any different here. It must be nice to be such an expert on every subject. How could any of us dummies even survive without your vast knowledge of everything? I will not post on this subject again. What a waste of time.
 
Who said anything about a 25 hp shot? And even if the shot was that big it would not "hydrolock". There simply is not enough fuel to do what you describe.

I will not post on this subject again
As you clearly shouldnt. You havent a clue what you are talking about and misleading, sensationalist BS helps no one. FWIW I am not a expert on every subject, but I know BS when I see it.
 
How many motors have you put nitrous on? I want a list. No reply equals none. I know that's petty and I didn't want it to come down to this but I should mention I am an automotive and small engines instructor at the college level. I have worked at a speed shop for the last six years. I have personlly built over 30 motors specifically for nitrous injection. They have varied in size. 3 were jet skis, 5 were snowmobiles and there was one chainsaw. The saw was a gross failure because of the things I have been trying to pound through your thick skull. I was trying to give you some information I got the hard way. I thought this site was supposed to be about people sharing information about things they have done. Successes, failures, etc. Everything I have received from this site has been great until now. I am not an expert by any means. I was just trying to do my part to help someone like I have been helped. I saw an area where I had some experience so I tried to share it. You decided to be an A#$hole about it. I will not stand for that. I said I wasn't posting again but I guess I lied. I want to know how experienced you are in this area. SO, let's hear that list.

SF
 
I have put a NOS on a sled used for hill climb competition. The motor was based on a Polaris(fuji) 680 that was big bored, piped, etc. I am very well aware of its downfalls etc. Particularly when it comes to sleds.
Now, I am not the one that got all hot under the collar. It was you that weirded out when I questioned your self professed vast knowledge. BTW I could give a rats arse that you teach small engines. I worked for several years developing fuel filtration systems for the auto industry. Big deal.
 

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