treemandan
Tree Freak
Why can't we burn em down?
No Crane Access
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treemandan
Tree Freak
But basically what we have here is the " lets put a million dollars worth of new construction under this here half dead tree then take the tree down later" syndrome... and its a syndrome.
The tree might have been alive when they did the work under it but is was not in all that good of shape when they did.
They really gomped the crap out it. From what it look like the P.M. ( project manager) has a syndrome of his own, Downs. I really don't see how they could figure to try the wall instead of taking the tree down. What the ^%$# is that wall anyway? What does it do? Was it to clear for the ditch? I will tell you the whole thing looks like something I built for my train set.
The tree might have been alive when they did the work under it but is was not in all that good of shape when they did.
They really gomped the crap out it. From what it look like the P.M. ( project manager) has a syndrome of his own, Downs. I really don't see how they could figure to try the wall instead of taking the tree down. What the ^%$# is that wall anyway? What does it do? Was it to clear for the ditch? I will tell you the whole thing looks like something I built for my train set.
treemandan
Tree Freak
Something tells me that the owners don't want to hear about things like that and they probaly don't want one leaf in that ditch disrupted for that matter. That whole place was built to look natural.
tree md
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Here's the thing about cranes Ray, They save SOOOO much time and effort. You can take the tree down in a third of the time it would take to rig it most times, have the crane load out the logs without having to work your crew into the ground and on trees that are structurally unsound, the crane is the only way to go most of the time. Bottom line is a speedier, less labor intensive removal and more cost effective to use the crane a lot of the time.
That being said, From what I can tell from the pics I would rig off of that tree but I'm not there seeing it in person. That call can only be made by the guy climbing the tree.
That being said, From what I can tell from the pics I would rig off of that tree but I'm not there seeing it in person. That call can only be made by the guy climbing the tree.
Good sugestions indeed.
I would also add that often times you can tip/butt tie whole limbs so that you can take bigger pieces with minimal shock loading.
Raymond
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Oh I hear ya Doc. I just see times guys act like without a crane they're lost.
Not so much here really. I know the question was concerning the root system.
I've never had the privilege of a crane yet. Sometimes I get Mike my claw guy
to pull up and grab a hold of big snags/trunks so I can make one stump cut, which is nice.
Around here not many tree guys (none that I know of) at all have a crane or even rent one.
tree md
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Oh I hear ya Doc. I just see times guys act like without a crane they're lost.
Not so much here really. I know the question was concerning the root system.
I've never had the privilege of a crane yet. Sometimes I get Mike my claw guy
to pull up and grab a hold of big snags/trunks so I can make one stump cut, which is nice.
Around here not many tree guys (none that I know of) at all have a crane or even rent one.
Not many use them around here either. If you don't own your own crane it only makes sense to use them on big or unstable stuff. They don't rent cheap. I hear you about guys not knowing how to act without one. I did aerial lift work almost exclusively for about 2 years. It sure will spoil ya. It sucked having to get used to doing them the old fashioned way again when I went out on my own.
The GRCS is the poor man's crane. You can do a lot with it plus you can get into places where the crane can't access.
TreEmergencyB
ArboristSite Guru
Something tells me that the owners don't want to hear about things like that and they probaly don't want one leaf in that ditch disrupted for that matter. That whole place was built to look natural.
yea really natural with that log laying across the ditch already just lay a nother right on top and i be even better it looks like woods to me haha, tip tieing the limbs and standing them up with a grcs would work you could set alot of them with throwline and cut some from the ground with a power pruner as mentioned b4 put a big number on it and go buy a GRCS and have it for life!
That is BS!
It may be the case in urban areas but we can rig out trees in about the same time as a crane....if not, we can do it for less money.
Cranes do make it easier on some jobs but if you are not set up to do crane work then you are losing money....
I live in a rural area and cranes really don't do much good around here but guys use them all the time and we can blow them away with a little extra hard work.
You may be able to blow away the guys in your area that are using cranes with a grcs, but you aint blowing away a real tree climber with a real crane/operator with no boat winch - no matter what. sorry I call BS on that.
And from the picks I really dont see the need for any lifting with a grcs anyway.
:agree2: I worked with a company that could do a job with their crane in an hour and a half that would take me all day. And have little or no lawn damage and a lot less cleanup. They don't make sense for everybody, but there's no question in my mind that they are almost always way faster. Only time they might not be, besides when you don't have access, is when you can flop the tree, and even then they make for a lot less cleanup time.
cranes are needed for very big wood or very close working area, that tree has neither. Why are we even talking about cranes here? teamtree is right on this one, by the time it took to set the crane up that tree could be halfway delimbed. If you call that tree a crane tree you need to get some more training in rigging. Those leads can be just about rigged out all in one piece. No need for a GRCS either. Tip tied. High crotch in that tree to the right. Let it swing, lower. If you are concerned with breaking a few branches in the live tree, like I said earlier, FLOATING PULLEY. If you have never set one of those up before . Tie a second line to the butts to perform as a stop line. CAKE.
On average, the biggest trees we take down around here take less than 4 hours. We sometimes get some that take more but an average big tree will take us about 4 hours to get on the ground. So unless you can do the same job in 1.25 hours, you probably can't do it for less money due to the cost of the crane. I have seen guys lift huge pieces out of trees and then it takes them 20 minutes to process it (mainly due to small chipper sizes). It is not a pissing match or anything...I am just telling you how it is around here. There are so many variables that go into play but a crane is not the answer to every freaking tree. There is a time and place for cranes and I would love to have one....but I can't justify the overhead of having a crane for every tree. Some trees we have on the ground before the next guy has his crane set up. You say a good climber and a crane....but I say a good climber is all you need and pass the savings along to the customer. If we are talking about a crane for the sake of the climber (safety issues) then time or price is not an option.
Rftreeman
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Who needs a sticking crane when you got a sky hook..............
climb the tree and rope the stuff off, if you need to get something out from over the creek or whatever just use a tag line tied to the butt to pull it from over top the stuff, no sense turning this in to a crane flame just get-r-done already.......
climb the tree and rope the stuff off, if you need to get something out from over the creek or whatever just use a tag line tied to the butt to pull it from over top the stuff, no sense turning this in to a crane flame just get-r-done already.......
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limbwalker54
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Looks climb-able to me. Do not shock load it too much.
Raymond
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Can't afford one....yes
Do I need one.....no.
Is not having one costing me business....no
Would they be nice......yes
Can they save time and reduce risk....yes
If you put a 150K machine on a job....you have got to make it pay and in the case of a crane (in my area) I could not do that....I would have to do three times the work to come out on it. I just feel that if you know what you are doing and don't mind working hard you can get by without a crane just fine and probably do the job for less money. At least compared to the guys around here with the cranes...i am way less and about the same on time. But I am sure there are more experienced operators out there that can make it work for them....especially if they are in areas where the population is greater and the work is more abundant.
I would say I would really like to have a boom truck just to help me with the trunks......rigging out the tops is pretty easy.
Do I need one.....no.
Is not having one costing me business....no
Would they be nice......yes
Can they save time and reduce risk....yes
If you put a 150K machine on a job....you have got to make it pay and in the case of a crane (in my area) I could not do that....I would have to do three times the work to come out on it. I just feel that if you know what you are doing and don't mind working hard you can get by without a crane just fine and probably do the job for less money. At least compared to the guys around here with the cranes...i am way less and about the same on time. But I am sure there are more experienced operators out there that can make it work for them....especially if they are in areas where the population is greater and the work is more abundant.
I would say I would really like to have a boom truck just to help me with the trunks......rigging out the tops is pretty easy.
Raymond
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I hear ya Team. I have only had one tree in my career
that I said I NEEDED a crane. I laugh when I hear guys
in here call crane all the time.
Have I had trees that would of been faster and easier with a crane?...Sure.
I think it's just the BS thing that kinda got to me.
