Not all flip caps are created equal

[logbutcher]

By the way, I hate flippys.......but I also hate the taste of Jack Daniels too, and we've seemed to come to an agreement to work with each other.

Now we're getting down to the issue here: drink choice.

I'm proud to be a flippy cap moron or idiot since I also hate Jack Daniels. We can bond.:jawdrop:

We in the higher strata of society only sip ( sip ) a quality single malt. LAPHROAIG is the choice of taste. It is so choice that it need not be shared.
Now, can we get rid of this flippy cap stupidity ?

LOVE OR HATE, THERE IS NO IN BETWEEN. ( Laphroaig motto )

 

[boltonranger]

Emotion, no. You had a good idea about how to fix caps that were difficult to seat properly into their tanks. My concern was that you blamed Ethanol for the problems. I saw the same problem with my brothers MS 200T's oil cap. I just read through all of the posts and saw one where a theory of bar oil "swelling" the oil cap was mentioned! LMFAO!!!...JJuday

Actually I said my trouble and post were about the gas cap not the oil cap.
And yes it is a swelling problem. A poulan 2100 series SCREW cap will do the same thing.

There is one basic problem the begins flip cap trouble:
(are you ready?) r-e-s-i-s-t-a-n-c-e.

If it's resistance from swelling and it no longer fits in it's slots - problem.
If it's resistance from hydraulic pressure because of over-filling - problem.
If it's resistance from crap in the grooves - problem.


If any of these things occurs and you force it - you can bugger the cap.

It's not a good design in the real world; but for some reason Stihl is sold on it.
My post was to help those with my particular issue.
As for me, I haven't had to buy new caps since I shaved mine.
If you don't mind paying for new caps - have at it.
-br

 

[Jtheo]

Actually I said my trouble and post were about the gas cap not the oil cap.
And yes it is a swelling problem. A poulan 2100 series SCREW cap will do the same thing.

There is one basic problem the begins flip cap trouble:
(are you ready?) r-e-s-i-s-t-a-n-c-e.

If it's resistance from swelling and it no longer fits in it's slots - problem.
If it's resistance from hydraulic pressure because of over-filling - problem.
If it's resistance from crap in the grooves - problem.


If any of these things occurs and you force it - you can bugger the cap.

It's not a good design in the real world; but for some reason Stihl is sold on it.
My post was to help those with my particular issue.
As for me, I haven't had to buy new caps since I shaved mine.
If you don't mind paying for new caps - have at it.
-br

Very good information. Looks like I missed the thread on this the first time.

 

[Saw Dr.]

Actually I said my trouble and post were about the gas cap not the oil cap.
And yes it is a swelling problem. A poulan 2100 series SCREW cap will do the same thing.

There is one basic problem the begins flip cap trouble:
(are you ready?) r-e-s-i-s-t-a-n-c-e.

If it's resistance from swelling and it no longer fits in it's slots - problem.
If it's resistance from hydraulic pressure because of over-filling - problem.
If it's resistance from crap in the grooves - problem.


If any of these things occurs and you force it - you can bugger the cap.

It's not a good design in the real world; but for some reason Stihl is sold on it.
My post was to help those with my particular issue.
As for me, I haven't had to buy new caps since I shaved mine.
If you don't mind paying for new caps - have at it.
-br

Probably because Stihl sells at least 20 homeowner saws for every pro saw they sell. Most homeowners don't run their saws enough to have a problem with the caps, and apparently they fall for the marketing.

 

[CentaurG2]

Well they differentiated me straight to Husqvarna and Dolmar.:hmm3grin2orange:

I hear you man. Cant make no money with a stihl.

 

[CentaurG2]

Yes. Guess we should all believe everything we read on the internet then...

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Silly Kiwi, Trixs is for kids.

We all know (except stihl R+D) that you need to put oil in that hole along with the twisty cap and shame on you for removing that in the way chainbreak. I would hate to see you lose one of your hands just to make a useless point. Saw safe dude!

 

[boltonranger]

Probably because Stihl sells at least 20 homeowner saws for every pro saw they sell. Most homeowners don't run their saws enough to have a problem with the caps, and apparently they fall for the marketing.

That's a very good point. I would add that my German friends hate to lose arguments.
Perhaps that is another reason the Stihl engineers
are staunchly behind the flip caps.

-Just sayin'

-br

 

[pgg]

Silly Kiwi, Trixs is for kids.

We all know (except stihl R+D) that you need to put oil in that hole along with the twisty cap and shame on you for removing that in the way chainbreak. I would hate to see you lose one of your hands just to make a useless point. Saw safe dude!

Sorry Cent but you've still got some learning to do, oil or no oil in the tank makes not a shred of difference, like I said before, pucker your lips and blow the crud off the cap now and again and you won't have any problems.. As for any chainbrake lectures from the clueless shiny-bums out there(not you Centaur hopefully) best they pull their heads in, mind their own business and look out for themselves

 

[pgg]

Oh yeah, here's a tip too, after you fill the little 200T's oil tank, and before you close the lid, tip the saw over to it's left hand side, the trapped air bubble in there pops through and the level drops

 

[mtfallsmikey]

No problems with caps on my saws, just the BR 550 blower...

 

[CentaurG2]

Sorry Cent but you've still got some learning to do, oil or no oil in the tank makes not a shred of difference, like I said before, pucker your lips and blow the crud off the cap now and again and you won't have any problems.. As for any chainbrake lectures from the clueless shiny-bums out there(not you Centaur hopefully) best they pull their heads in, mind their own business and look out for themselves

Thanks for the tip on removing the barrier bubble. I actually use that technique on my little 346xp huskys all the time. Don’t know why I have never thought to use it on the ms200T. Guess I am usually too busy cursing the thing out.

Blowing the crap off the cap aint going to work for me. A man does need to have some pride. Perhaps stihl could sell us compressed air in a can to do the job with a snazzy name like “Stihl Flippy Cap Blows” or “Stihl Pucker Power” or “Stihl Sphincter in a Can”. I could also hook up an airline to the trucks compressor but I ask myself “self, if the huskys and dolmars don’t need it, why does the stilh?” Stihl “special needs” saws! Cripes whats next?

All kiddin aside, I don’t know what a “Shiny-Bum” is but if it is someone who has lost a digit or appendage to a chainsaw, you might want to pay them a little more heed. The 200t is dangerous enough; no chainbrake and no low-kickback chain and daddy aint going to be feeding his kiwi kits too long with a chainsaw.

Anyhoo, we stubborn Yankees have always maintained that your desired path to hell should be your own business and not the governments. I am not going to show up with a chainsaw in my neck. You??

 

[pgg]

...All kiddin aside, I don’t know what a “Shiny-Bum” is but if it is someone who has lost a digit or appendage to a chainsaw, you might want to pay them a little more heed. The 200t is dangerous enough; no chainbrake and no low-kickback chain and daddy aint going to be feeding his kiwi kits too long with a chainsaw.

Anyhoo, we stubborn Yankees have always maintained that your desired path to hell should be your own business and not the governments. I am not going to show up with a chainsaw in my neck. You??

Believe me, you know nothing bro, your chainbrake and special chain won't save your ass, even though you're convinced it will. PS shiny bum: man with a desk job telling others how to do THEIR job

 

[mtfallsmikey]

Believe me, you know nothing bro, your chainbrake and special chain won't save your ass, even though you're convinced it will. PS shiny bum: man with a desk job telling others how to do THEIR job

We here in Dixie have other names for those desk types, none of which I can use on AS anymore....

BTW, I just bought a 6-panel pine door at Blowe's last weekend, casing had a decal that said "Made in NZ"...is your timber that superior to ours?

 

[angelo c]

Wow Lot's of luv goin on in this thread.
I was a "Flippy Hater" until I realized it is just one saw of mine that has this problem. My MS 250 which is a Red Headed Stepchild anyway. Replaced the caps and eliminated the problem. Didn't think about shaving them but might just for Chits and giggles. There are times that I am vibrated enough that I can't get the screw in caps aligned correct too. Usually has some connection with being hurried, tired or the Mrs. decided that it was my day to bear her wrath.

Oh and Centaur I think it was you that was bashing the MS 200t. I don't think I could belittle that saw if I had to shove bologne in the caps to make it run. I love that little bugger.

 

[pgg]

We here in Dixie have other names for those desk types, none of which I can use on AS anymore....

BTW, I just bought a 6-panel pine door at Blowe's last weekend, casing had a decal that said "Made in NZ"...is your timber that superior to ours?

Ah, maybe I pruned your chunk of timber knot-free way out in the hills down here in little NZ many moons ago... just counted all my fingers - yep, they're still all there, who would've believed it aye?

Nah, wood is wood, actually the faster the tree grows the less dense the wood, a slow growing tree has the best timber

 

[mtfallsmikey]

Ah, maybe I pruned your chunk of timber knot-free way out in the hills down here in little NZ many moons ago... just counted all my fingers - yep, they're still all there, who would've believed it aye?

Nah, wood is wood, actually the faster the tree grows the less dense the wood, a slow growing tree has the best timber

Strange how we import/export many things...heck, I could have milled/made a door casing out of some of bull pine that grows on my property....

 

[pgg]

Lol, yep, down here we log the trees, dump em' on the wharf, sell them off to Japan, then buy them back again as panels at 3X the price...

 

[mtfallsmikey]

And...a Chinese-owned paper company is locating near me in The Valley...all of the processed pulp is being hauled in from Indonesia.

 

[rbtree]

Seriously... there is nothing wrong with the flippy caps... just the flippy cap users.

Gary

I don't agree.....If a guy's in a hurry, they can easily be messed up...forced...and broken.

As well, we've had a few break, perhaps from being hit while in a tree....

Simple problem solved....use Husqvarna, which has always had caps that tighten nice and gradually, and rarely if ever open on their own.

 

[belgian]

I don't agree.....If a guy's in a hurry, they can easily be messed up...forced...and broken.

As well, we've had a few break, perhaps from being hit while in a tree....

Simple problem solved....use Husqvarna, which has always had caps that tighten nice and gradually, and rarely if ever open on their own.

Hey RB, you only dare to say this because Andy (Lakeside) is no longer posting here....he would have pulled you through that hole in your avatar and give you a little whoppin'....

Your post is spot on though.