Nov TCI mag: Phenomenal Photos!

[Guy Meilleur]

Jim Scarlata's article on buds has some really great pics. His 6.0 megapixel cam makes excellent detailed shots.

Since dormant buds are natural pruning targets, any reaction to the article from you tree care providers?

:Monkey:

 

[Guy Meilleur]

54 views and no reply. The magazine is free--doesn't anybody read it? If you prune trees, how can you not be concerned about where to make a cut?

We still have people here who think that all reduction cuts are heading cuts. It's about time to come out of the stone age, isn't it? Advanced gear and knots are worse than worthless if the tree pruning done with it is so backward.

 

[TheTreeSpyder]

i can't get TCI either. All i know about dormant buds i learnt here from Guy, Wulke, JP etc. Mostly, trimming for restoration, not removing more than absolutely necessary to dormant buds/nodes that still can be fed and try to carry on processes i think. JP even said something about leaving torn wood, trimming to node, even if just for a while to not shock tree more, and remove energy stores in time of crisis.

Or something like that,
Will have to try TCI again i guess; and get a better handle on what ya got there Guy.

:alien:

 

[Guy Meilleur]

Mike, what exactly was the problem? So your company gets one but you can't? You fill out the card, mail it in, and they mail you an issue every month. Once a year you tell them you still want to get it. That's all there is to it.

 

[Guy Meilleur]

Originally posted by Mike Maas

Maybe I should have lied

Lying should not be necessary. Do you ever do a side job on your own? That means you are a contactor, and you have a separate enterprise. Refer to that instead of your employer. Lying? Never. Accentuating the positive facts that will get you what you need? Why not?

KC, that business about leaving torn ends... Rarely is it justified. We tried to get that resolved in Mike's pink board scenario, but he kinda petered out on that one.

rborist1, how much does shipping cost? Can't you offer to cover that? It'd be worth the cost, wouldn't it?

No one else has a response to that article, or its groundbreaking use of pics? That's depressing.

 

[Stumper]

Guy, Take a sedative or something. The magazine just arrived. I perused it last night. The article on dormant buds is quite interesting, particularly the assertion that most of what has been attributed to adventitious buds is actually dormant bud break. I'll reread it more carefully in a day or two. In the meantime I can't say that it has radically changed my life and that I will never be the same again. -After all, the trees are going to continue doing what they have done all along. If I learn a new term or two and differentiate my semantics better that is good but it doesn't change anything significant.:angel:

P. S. I had a problem for quite a while with TCI Magazine-I had to resubscribe every 2-3 months. It has finally settled down to about every 8 months now.

 

[Nathan Wreyford]

I had just the opposite problem with TCI. They sent me 2 a month. Good because I could always give one away.

Now I think it would cost $45 a year, being an overseas subscriber.

My old subscription gets sent to my sister and the I get them 2-3 times a year. It is also possible to just wait a month and read them online.

I look forward to getting the Nov issue in January

 

[TheTreeSpyder]

i was more meaning leaving tear mid way, to allow what else is left to function, rather than coming to some collar below that point and losing storage mass and food production of all above cut; adding to stress etc.

At least that is how i imagined it as it was discussed.

 

[Guy Meilleur]

Originally posted by Stumper
Guy, Take a sedative or something.
OL I'm calmer now.
The article on dormant buds is quite interesting, particularly the assertion that most of what has been attributed to adventitious buds is actually dormant bud break.
That is pretty huge for a tree pruner imo, since redefining what we're aiming for in a "natural target" is not just semantic but extremely practical.

KC, ok we're on the same limb.

rborist1, sorry your experience is that bad. Sounds like it's delivered at about the same time many of the articles are available free on the website. That will dampen enthusiasm for subscribing...

 

[ptar]

http://www.treecareindustry.org/downloads/TCI_Mag_NOV_SM_.pdf

Get it here
The pdf file is about 12MB.

 

[Ax-man]

I probaly won't get my copy for at least two more weeks. by the time I get mine the article that is being talked about has sunk to the bottom of the new threads and is old news.

Larry

 

[ptar]

Doh. The picture quality sucks in the pdf file.

 

[JCSJC]

Tried

Originally posted by Guy Meilleur
54 views and no reply. The magazine is free--doesn't anybody read it? If you prune trees, how can you not be concerned about where to make a cut?

Tried to subscribe online, and keep getting....

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Webmaster: please see the server's application event log for more details.


Happens every couple of months when a post is kicked to the top reminding me that I still haven't been able to subscribe yet.

 

[MasterBlaster]

Originally posted by Guy Meilleur
Lying should not be necessary. Do you ever do a side job on your own? That means you are a contactor, and you have a separate enterprise. Refer to that instead of your employer. Lying? Never.

I lie to TCI everytime I renew my free subscription. I just check the lowest box on everything, and submit the name of a tree company I would like to have if I ever have a tree company. It's a hoot to get it addressed to "Cenla Tree Pro".

And I've never had a subscription problem. They come like clockwork, every month. I'm still trying to find a way to cancel AA. They are truely a waste of a good tree.

 

[Guy Meilleur]

Originally posted by MasterBlaster
I've never had a subscription problem. They come like clockwork, every month.

Mr. Ballow does it again! I cannot officially endorse his method, but it's hard to argue with success.

Thanks ptar for that link; I had no idea it was available online immediately! I'd ask how you did that but I probably could not duplicate the feat.

Pic quality IS much better on paper, but online it's still good enough to get the idea. Wrinkles, bulges and bumps and steles (aka pith trails) are all evident as potential natural targets.

Article is on pages 58-60. Whaddyall think?

And Erik you charming fellow, the idea is not to read about it here but to write about it here. It may be jsut me, but how we select pruning targets seems at least as interesting as faux Survivor threads. :blush:

 

[daddieslilgirl]

can someone help?

and please tell me where i can find that mag that has an article in it written by someone with my screen name? id be eternally grateful. i wanna see what i ve never written! lol

 

[MasterBlaster]

It was awhile back, maybe 6 months or more. You'll have to go through the archives, if that's possible.

 

[Stumper]

Guy, I've been trying to understand your exuberance over this article and "targets". The allegation has been made about you that you seek any "science" to justify topping. I wonder..... . I support your encouragement to trim to nodes on severely storm damaged trees.-When a tree has been mostly stripped then cleaning up the damage and making cuts at locations where epicormic shoots will likely originate is reasonable. Dan mentions above the danger of removing large limbs and introducing decay in the main stem. I agree-leaving a stub of a broken limb which is iniating shoot growth helps keep decay out of the stem and has its place. The article indeed has nice photos and it is imformative about the mechanics/science of sprouting but, practically speaking I don't see anything "new" about pruning procedures. We've known for years that trees produce epicormic shoots (some species more than others) We've known that moving our target from the branch collar can help iniate sprouting at the cut . For normal pruning "standard targets " are still the right targets. Cut at the collar/reduce to a vigorous lateral. Those are the places to cut which stress the tree least for normal pruning. They are also the places to cut to help maintain a natural/attractive apearance in normal circumstances.

I enjoyed the article. I learned about a distinction between latent/dormant buds and adventitious buds. What I don't understand is your reaction to it. Are you just feeling vindicated about nodal cuts for storm damage or are you about to open "Guy's Cutting and Hacking Tree Topping Servce- We top scientifically."?

 

[Guy Meilleur]

Originally posted by Stumper
The article indeed has nice photos and it is imformative about the mechanics/science of sprouting but, practically speaking I don't see anything "new" about pruning procedures. I enjoyed the article. I learned about a distinction between latent/dormant buds and adventitious buds.

THe application of that science is what's exciting. I agree that removing a branch to the collar or reducing it to a stout lateral still fits standard situations. But I see more and more situations that are not standard, where following guidelines like the 1/3 rule is just plain wrong..

 

[Stumper]

Guy, Granted. Exceptions do arise. I guess that it doesn't mean as much to me. I have never feared making exceptions to the standard when an exceptional situation exists. I usually have a good sense of the sprouting potential of the trees I ordinarily work on. Whenever possible I'll reduce to a lateral (even a small lateral rather than stub a branch. Then a node makes the best back up. Dormant buds are visible in thin bark/small wood on many species- but small braches can usually be reduced without deforming the tree-if not-----well I know that certain species are going to pop a bud just below the cut.-What has changed?:angel: