Oak ID...?

[JTinaTree]

Took down a declining 100ftr with a crane today, Can't figure out the species though, Im leaning towards a Pin Oak. The bark is Dark and inner bark is bright orange.. The leaf on left is lower trunk and right is upper canopy..The homeowner siad it's a Black Jack Oak, but i know thats not right because they rarely grow over 60ft tall.
Thanks Joey

 

[NCTREE]

I would say a pin oak. Scarlets have a pinkish inner bark and pins have an orange inner bark.

 

[JTinaTree]

Not enough lobes on the leaf to be a Scarlet..

 

[NCTREE]

The outer bark doesn't seem like pin oak though, pins are usually lighter in gray color. Do you have a pic of the bark?

 

[JTinaTree]

I will post one tommorow.

 

[lego1970]

Don't know if this will help, but Pin Oaks have downward spreading branches at the bottom, lateral branches in the mid section and upward spreading branches at the top. Assuming it hasn't been severly uplifted, but even then the tree will try to go back to it's original shape.


Had to look up Scarlet oak. I guess they branch out similiar to the Pin Oak from what I could tell, although the Pin oaks are very distinct in their shape. Black Jack Oaks leaves look nothing like the ones you posted. They look more like ducks feet.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Oak sub genus hybridize so much that you will quite often be left scratching your head. I've a few swamp-bur's that I was stumped with til I read that in Dirr. He calls the "highly promiscuous"

 

[DK_stihl]

Oaks

Another thing to check is the tree had one central leader (excurrent growth form).Most all Quercus palustris do.

 

[DK_stihl]

Buds

These are links to pictures of the buds of both trees for future reference. I hope this helps you.

PIN OAK
http://www.hort.uconn.edu/Plants/q/quepal/quepal1.html

SCARLET OAK
http://www.hort.uconn.edu/Plants/q/quecoc/quecoc1.html

I would definately say pin oak due to the "U" shaped leaf sinuses.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

These are links to pictures of the buds of both trees for future reference. I hope this helps you.

PIN OAK
http://http://www.hort.uconn.edu/Plants/q/quepal/quepal1.html

SCARLET OAK
http://http://www.hort.uconn.edu/Plants/q/quecoc/quecoc1.html

I would definately say pin oak due to the "U" shaped leaf sinuses.

You need to edit out the redundant URL code.

 

[JTinaTree]

Oak Bark

Here are the bark pictures

 

[lego1970]

Pin oaks are pretty smooth even close at chest height so IMO it doesn't look like a Pin Oak. Having said that, I always remind others that I've been wrong plenty of times.

I wonder if it's just a Black Oak. Kinda looks like it and the homeowner had said Blackjack so maybe he has it confused.

 

[JTinaTree]

Yeah the difference in the leaves from the bottom and the top of the Oak have got me stumped

 

[lego1970]

Yeah the difference in the leaves from the bottom and the top of the Oak have got me stumped

My neighbor has a Shurmand Oak (at least from what I can tell) and it has leaves that differ thruout the crown. Quite a few others trees will do the same. There is a forrester here in Kansas City named Chuck Conner and he's just great to listen to during his seminars. He went into detail about that but to be honest I forget the reasons behind it.

 

[ATH]

Black oak. Q. velutina

Orange inner bark that is blockier like the pictures you posted, glossier/larger leaves.

Edit: just caught that lego1970 already suggested black oak. I am almost 100% sure that is it...

 

[scotvl]

Yea I would say black oak too here's some I noodled last week end.

Zoom in on the second pic and you can see some leaves, a bit shrivled though.

 

[Ikeholt]

+1 Black oak. Grab some acorns if you are not convinced, that's about the best way to separate oaks.

 

[ray benson]

Took down a declining 100ftr with a crane today, Can't figure out the species though, Im leaning towards a Pin Oak. The bark is Dark and inner bark is bright orange.. The leaf on left is lower trunk and right is upper canopy..The homeowner siad it's a Black Jack Oak, but i know thats not right because they rarely grow over 60ft tall.
Thanks Joey

It's not Black Oak or BlackJack Oak.


http://www.dof.virginia.gov/trees/oak-black.htm
http://www.dof.virginia.gov/trees/oak-blackjack.htm

 

[NCTREE]

Here are the bark pictures

Looks like a hybrid oak from the pics and your description. Another way to tell is does it keep it's leaves during dormant stage Pins and scarlet keep their leaves, hybrids, blacks and reds lose them soon after fall.

 

[ATH]

It's not Black Oak or BlackJack Oak.


http://www.dof.virginia.gov/trees/oak-black.htm
http://www.dof.virginia.gov/trees/oak-blackjack.htm

That site pictured more atypical Black oak leaves. Look at several other ID resources. It is black oak. Like Ikeholt said, it could be confirmed with acorns.

http://www.arborday.org/trees/whattree/WhatTree.cfm?ItemID=E35a
http://www.cnr.vt.edu/dendro/dendrology/syllabus/factsheet.cfm?ID=39
http://www.ohiodnr.com/forestry/trees/oak_blk/tabid/5389/Default.aspx