Oak ID...?

[lego1970]

It's not Black Oak or BlackJack Oak.


http://www.dof.virginia.gov/trees/oak-black.htm
http://www.dof.virginia.gov/trees/oak-blackjack.htm

Then what is it? Honestly the leaves shown in your link look nothing like the Black Oaks I've seen (which also are posted by the Missouri Dept of Conservation at Burr Oak Park) and the the multiple tree books I have. I'm not trying to start a big fight, because I'm trying to learn but please don't just say your wrong without saying what's right. Leaves are only one way to indentify a tree and often times it varies. As I've said I've been wrong plenty of times and this may be another one of those times, but please give an idea of what it could be instead of just calling everybody wrong.

 

[JTinaTree]

Could be a Black Oak or probably a hybrid, I can't stand working on a Tree and not knowing what it is http://www.cnr.vt.edu/DENDRO/DENDROLOGY/SYLLABUS/factsheet.cfm?ID=39

 

[ray benson]

Looked at ATH's posted tree links, and leaf shapes of black oak varied.
Pin oak leaves- variation as well as hybridization occurs, so identification by leaves alone is not sufficient.
Black oak leaves-Sinuses vary from tree to tree in terms of their depth, with some shallow, others two-thirds of the way to the midrib.
The orange inner bark points to a Black Oak. Here is another site.
http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=QUVE&photoID=quve_003_avp.tif

 

[lego1970]

Hey Lego pointing out what a tree is not is called the process of elimanation! It's a great tool for tree I.D.

True, point taken.

 

[lego1970]

Looked at ATH's posted tree links, and leaf shapes of black oak varied.
Pin oak leaves- variation as well as hybridization occurs, so identification by leaves alone is not sufficient.
Black oak leaves-Sinuses vary from tree to tree in terms of their depth, with some shallow, others two-thirds of the way to the midrib.
The orange inner bark points to a Black Oak. Here is another site.
http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=QUVE&photoID=quve_003_avp.tif

You got me a little confused although I had been drinking pretty heavy last night so that may be part of the problem. In the one post I thought you said it's not a Black Oak or Blackjack Oak and in this post your saying it's a Black Oak. I agree that leaves vary greatly, not only from tree to tree but in the same tree so just using leaves to get to the specific ephithet (don't know if I spelled that right or using the right term) is not always proper. On that note, it's 5:30am and I have to hug the toilet before I go do some tree work today. It's gonna be a rough one today.

 

[ray benson]

Ya, I shouldn't have tried to eliminate BlackOak by using only 1 websites photos.

 

[Treehound]

Shumard Oak also called "spotted oak"

 

[JTinaTree]

Shumard Oak also called "spotted oak"

It doesnt look like The Spotted Oak

 

[Treehound]

Then my guess is Nuttall Oak, they range from 60-100 feet and the foliage resembles Pin Oak, but the Pin Oak has smaller rounded acorns with a shallow cup. named after Thomas Nuttall british american botanist

not distinguished as a species untill 1927