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I took out a silver maple and ground out the huge stump including flare and surface roots the other day and raked up and removed all the wood chips for the customer, an 80-year-old lady whose 50-ish year old son lives with her. Besides raking twice, I used the blower to blow as many of the chips out of the grass as economically feasible. I told them that a shop vac or mower with a bagger would get the rest and not to worry about the sawdust as it would simply compost into the lawn. No big deal they said - they would take it from there.

As we're loading tools, they ask if I would fill the stump for them. I tell them that I prefer that they contact a landscaping or lawn care company as I am very busy with tree work right now but they persist and I say 'ok'. After assuring them that the dirt I use is from the same supplier that the landscapers get their dirt from, they agree to a price and I return with the dirt - almost 4 cu yds worth. I get the stump filled and raked out, they pay the bill and I leave with them telling me what a good job I did.

The next day, i get a call from the distressed old lady who insists that I come over to her house. This is where it gets interesting. When I arrive, the son shows me a mop bucket with about the bottom 1 1/2" filled up with rocks varying from 1" down to pea size. Apparently, he spent two hours on his hands and knees sifting through the soils with a trowl and bucket and picking out anything that wouldn't crush into dust. He's also been out there hand-picking out every remaining wood chip out of the grass.

They inform me that the dirt I delivered (beautiful screened black topsoil) is sub-standard and that it needs to be removed and replaced. I smile, appologize for their inconvenience and assure them that the soil is just fine and that there is no need to remove it. We go around for about 15 minutes and they finally agree that the dirt can stay but they are unhappy about her son having to sift through it to remove 'all the rocks'. I again appologize for the inconvenience and, finding that it is a futile effort to try to explain to them that the removal of pea-sized rock was unnecessary, I ask what his 2 hours was worth.

The old lady says she wants her money back - the entire cost of the dirt including delivery and installation. I politely say, no and spend another 10 minutes explaining that I will gladly refund the cost of his 2 hours of labor to pick out the rock. They finally shoot me a price of $30 so I flip the son $40, we shake hands and I get the hell out of there before they get the chance to say anything else.

By this time, I've spent 30 minutes of my day to settle a $30 dispute over whether or not 'screened dirt' should or should not contain marble or pea-sized rock. As of today, I've vowed to never fill another stump again! As far as I'm concerned, the landscapers can fill the stumps and do the seeding from now on. Even when I owned my landscaping company and did lawn installation on a regular basis, I never dealt with something like this. Now, as an arborist whose focus is on tree care, I have very little patience for it at all.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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more patient than me ... that kind of business you don't need. I'd have told him to go pound dirt ... no pun intended. Well hope they don't call back to ask for another hand-out cause the chap decided to go crawl around on the lawn looking for chips.

:jawdrop:
 
I have to agree AP, i don't fill in stumps anymore. I will back fill in the hole and clean-up the rest of the debri but that's as far as i go anymore. To many headaches.
 
I am kinda dissapointed with the Age of Reason... seems like it didn't take.

Also I am disappointed with Arborpro for taking advantage of a nice boy and his mom. How could you?:dizzy:
 
I'd gave the $30.00 to his mother cause you know his butt doesn't pay **** to live there then I'd pulled him to the side and belittled his azz, he's prolly smokin crack with that money.....what a loser.....living with his mommy, well he could be there to take care of her but I doubt it.
 
I would have asked the homeowner about why she felt that the gravel was making the topsoil "sub-standard." I would have then given her a brief lecture on macro and micro-pores, aeration, field capacity and all other soil topics in my knowledge base. As I saw her eyes glaze over with information overload, I would have thanked her for her concern, and told her to call me with any other concerns, should they arise, and reassured her that I would come right back over to give her another in-depth lesson on any and all topics involved with the field of arboriculture.
 
"Oh your right, its got solid soil granules, I will have to add 50 to the bill"

We all have that kind of clients at some stage, its important to take the tough with the easy. Good on you for keeping your cool. It will be worth it in the end.....probably!
 
them people are only a dime a dozen, the loser son proabably has nothing else better to do so decided to go pick stones out of the dirt, i would now inform them on how they are destroying the structure of the soil by removing those stones.

dont try and avoid back filling as it can be some of the easiest money youll make, just get something in writing that you will supply the best soil possible but you take no responsibility for anything that may come in with the soil including weed seeds, rocks or any other foreign objects.
 
There is no way to screen out the oddballs, sometimes you get the person who wants all the saw dust out of the lawn, or stump grindings removed, even though there is a notation that this is done T&M only in the work agreement. (I started calling it a work agreement, after the third person complained about signing a contract. "It is only binding after the work has started", which I started using after someone changed their mind after the first hour of work)

If you limit your parameters of what you will do, you can loose out on future work. One way is to have a separate T&M agreement for stumps, that you agree to do "at your convenience" so that you can combine several of them together.

I know some guys who will backfill on all small stumps, partly with native soil and bag of black dirt. It is surprising how many people think that compost is superior to a good topsoil.
 
I would have asked the homeowner about why she felt that the gravel was making the topsoil "sub-standard." I would have then given her a brief lecture on macro and micro-pores, aeration, field capacity and all other soil topics in my knowledge base. As I saw her eyes glaze over with information overload, I would have thanked her for her concern, and told her to call me with any other concerns, should they arise, and reassured her that I would come right back over to give her another in-depth lesson on any and all topics involved with the field of arboriculture.

She would have just told you that next time she'll hire a mexican instead. :hmm3grin2orange:
 
Check in hand, never would have gone back to the house. Would have dealt with it over the phone. If they're that crazy, don't expect more work from them anyway and if they do recommend you to their friends, they're probably just as crazy. Who needs 'em? :censored:
 
Check in hand, never would have gone back to the house. Would have dealt with it over the phone. If they're that crazy, don't expect more work from them anyway and if they do recommend you to their friends, they're probably just as crazy. Who needs 'em? :censored:

With the way things could go with the economic climate, even the real PITA clients look so much better than no client.
 
With the way things could go with the economic climate, even the real PITA clients look so much better than no client.

Roger that. Last week, I bit the bullet as I did a job for a regular client who was so rude I could not believe it. Everything I said, no matter how politely I said it, was met with a snide comment or a put-down. I'm not sure if this client has become mentally unbalanced since the last time I worked on the trees there, but I had to keep saying, over and over again, in my mind, "You're making some money, this week. Keep quiet."
 
I can understand the econimic reasoning behind working for some idiots but in the end, I always think of my own sanity first. Also, as I've found in the past, if I'm not putting the effort and time into working for an idiot, it keeps me open to work for someone else that appreciates what i do and looks forward to me working for them. Sometimes I remind myself that thats why I work as much as I do, I can walk away from a job and not worry too too much about the loss of revenue for that one or two jobs. :cheers:
 
Roger that. Last week, I bit the bullet as I did a job for a regular client who was so rude I could not believe it. Everything I said, no matter how politely I said it, was met with a snide comment or a put-down. I'm not sure if this client has become mentally unbalanced since the last time I worked on the trees there, but I had to keep saying, over and over again, in my mind, "You're making some money, this week. Keep quiet."


Same thing here. We did a lot clean up for this guy last week that was just impossible. Nobody wants to work for this man and normally I wouldn't but you know how it is right now. He stayed out there and complained and berated the whole time.
 
Same thing here. We did a lot clean up for this guy last week that was just impossible. Nobody wants to work for this man and normally I wouldn't but you know how it is right now. He stayed out there and complained and berated the whole time.

One of my climbing clients has a client who cannot get any other qualified local tree or landscape company to even talk to her, because she is so "difficult". I've been told that Johnson's Nurseries has told her to stay away.

My client does what ever she wants on a T&M basis only, if she wants to stand there and distract the workers, the clock is still running. If she wants a Lannonstone path redone...

Not exactly applicable to the original scenario, but once you know how a person will be, then you build the agreement accordingly if you get future work.
 
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