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This question goes out to the guys that I know have used cranes: RBtree, Master Blaster, and Rocky to name a few. Since The GRCS thread I have been a little curious about crane work. I will probably never get the chance to use a crane so here goes. When you use a crane where do you position the ball in relation to where you are? I suspect that most logs or limbs are taken straight up, is this correct? Thanx, Rich.
 
I feel a bit left out considering I probably done more crane removals than all three of those mentioned. I like to position the ball over the cg of piece I am taking. If the piece is vertical you take it but heavy it is horizontal cradle it or if your as I sometimes am one choker and just balance it sometime just a bit but or tip heavy depending on what you want to do. The GRCS is very much crane work.
 
The only schooling I can offer is to take what you learn you here and apply it what you do every day. Hope for the best and expect the worse and be ready for it. Always have an out. Try to set up your position so it would be an easy rescue. Hmmm..... this could be new interesting thread. If there is a specific problem with crane work feel free ask and I may have some advice. My biggest problem is getting to it and waiting for the crane to show up before 9 or 10 am.
 
Originally posted by BigJohn
I feel a bit left out considering I probably done more crane removals than all three of those mentioned.

I did say those three and also said to name a few. I know more members here have done crane work.

I don't remember you saying too much about crane work.


Thanx for whatever you can offer.
 
CLEAR communication with the crane operator is an absolute must. Be it my radio or hand signals, he has to know what YOU have in mind, and vice-versa.

Cut- I usually use a thin snap-cut aiming for 1/2" of overlap plus or minus.

Here's a biggie- find out who's providing what when it comes to rigging. I've seen alot of people hung up on crane jobs because they assumed the crane co would be bringing the right stuff for a tree job.

Know your wood weights. The crane op may likely say something like "Ok, I can pick 1200# from the angle we're at right now." So you have to know where to cut to keep under without taking a bazillion picks.

Get the biggest crane you can afford to budget that will fit at the job site. I can't think of a time I've ever wish the crane had LESS capacity. Bigger crane gives you a better safety factor and more versatility in your picks. The faster the tree is on the ground, the faster the ground crew can get to work on it, and the faster the job is done and paid.

Bidding hint: When bidding crane removals, I bid the job as so much for my company, and whatever the crane bill comes to.
Example: I bid a large maple for removal by crane. I'd say something like "$1,200 plus crane fees."


All I can think of at the moment... I'm sure there's plenty more.
 
Do any brushing you can prior to crane arrival. Knowing the load your about to lift is critical. Booms arent meant to be jerked, very bad. Take a tape and get diameter, use an azdjusted log chart. There are those who may disagree. Yet have not had a crane operator be unhappy about doing load calcs.
 
Originally posted by wiley_p
There are those who may disagree. Yet have not had a crane operator be unhappy about doing load calcs.


Neither have I.
;)
 
that was directed at some of my Western brothers. I'm of the feeling that its our show we should have a handle on the operation. The crane is just a tool.
 
I pretty much agree.

I expect the crane operator to know what his machine can and can't do, and to communicate that to me. I'll take the rest from there.
 
For cuts I use many. With some large limbs that are horizontal and I don't want the but to just fly off I cut in level on the underside then come down from the top to meet it leaving a shelf for it to sit on. When the operator picks it up it just sits there pretty. Some vertical limbs I will but three quarters back to me the cut the backside down on an angle to keep the but from kicking back. Sometime I would cut a V on both sides so it can't kick in either direction. For the spar I like cut all the way around with out much tension from the crane. When you get closer to cutting it off as it starts to want to pinch just start stabbing your way through opening it up. Some other time I just cut all the way through as far as I can and just come around the back and finish it off pretty even if not just a hair below but not overlapping.

It all depends on what I feel like doing that day, how aggressive I am, wether its past 11 and I'm awake yet, maybe they sent me up the 44 they were using to cut the driveway I mean wood and its not cutting straight enough to make a good straight cut.
 
I've done more crane removals than any living arborist out there today. And if you need some some schoolin MasterBlaster, you know how to get me.:p
 
Originally posted by RockyJSquirrel
John,
I'm sure you have done many crane removals and are very good at it. I'm also sure that you are a very good climber. But that does not allow you to dismiss every other climber who participates on this site as being 'less than' you. There are a few here with many years of hard-earned experience to share. Maybe even a couple with more experience than you.
:Monkey:


+10:blob2:
 
I'm old school .If the crane aint there yet I start without him,this gets me in trouble at times but screw it,aint I a stinker:p
 

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