MasterBlaster
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One For The Guys That have Used Cranes???
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Cranes are used in tree removal because it's faster, safer, easier or any combination of the three.
Most of the time, the salesman thinks, "I'm not sending a climber up that tree, we'll bring in a crane."
A crane makes a technically hard tree, easy.
An unskilled climber can do more difficult trees, if he brings in a crane.
This is not to say I never use one. I've done a 100 or so jobs over the years, I just think the crane dumbs things down. Think about it, one of the challenges in tree work is finding a good TIP (or roping point). A crane supplies a TIP that goes where ever you need and then moves, AND can raise the load, AND set it down.
Forgive me if I'm disspelling the myth that crane work is hard, but I'm here to tell you any tree job is EASIER with a crane, than without one.
If somebody has more than a couple hundred Crane jobs in their carrier, I have to wonder why. I'm not talking about Rb, doing lumber removal in urban areas, I mean, guys who bring in a crane every time there's a challenge.
I guess I'm just calling crane guys a bunch of *******.
Most of the time, the salesman thinks, "I'm not sending a climber up that tree, we'll bring in a crane."
A crane makes a technically hard tree, easy.
An unskilled climber can do more difficult trees, if he brings in a crane.
This is not to say I never use one. I've done a 100 or so jobs over the years, I just think the crane dumbs things down. Think about it, one of the challenges in tree work is finding a good TIP (or roping point). A crane supplies a TIP that goes where ever you need and then moves, AND can raise the load, AND set it down.
Forgive me if I'm disspelling the myth that crane work is hard, but I'm here to tell you any tree job is EASIER with a crane, than without one.
If somebody has more than a couple hundred Crane jobs in their carrier, I have to wonder why. I'm not talking about Rb, doing lumber removal in urban areas, I mean, guys who bring in a crane every time there's a challenge.
I guess I'm just calling crane guys a bunch of *******.
MasterBlaster
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Yeah...
Right...
Right...
i think rigging off the architecture of the tree is kinda a fixed boom crane, lowering only. So there are some similarities.
Sometimes just the bulk of large work can make the crane option best. 1 more big tree on the site, or down the road etc. Doint the trunk wold be 10x easier on each one, then the more difficult shots add up. The safety factor of being able to totally overwhelm something large with minimal air time etc.
Then, sometimes the last possible felling direction is straight up!
For reaching over houses and trunks too big to lift while cutting at base, we still use crane for pulling over. Crane operators usually won't help just straight pull a stick down, so it won't impact on the boom and take out the crane etc. when spar falls. So we take a line and large block, and redirect the line off a low anchor, now when the movment of the big stick starts, the line to crane slackens (if legs to pulley not crossed), so crane is safe, and you get a large pull to force a beefy hin ge for as strong and powerfull a hinge as ya can get. The crane operator can even read the line tension on his meter, to experiment and watch knowing the numbers and make sure gear and hitchings etc. aren't overloaded; but give ya plenty of power etc. The low anchor calls for mor arching on hinge. Then cut up trunks on ground (helps to lay onto brush and logs to keep saw out of dirt etc.); crane lift over house etc. With some padding and storng hinge, minimal damage to ground; beats hanging fingernails cutting with 066 and having several sections lifted off your head i think.
But, then i'm only a lil'spyder, up agianst the largest form of life known, gotta cheat sometimes!
Sometimes just the bulk of large work can make the crane option best. 1 more big tree on the site, or down the road etc. Doint the trunk wold be 10x easier on each one, then the more difficult shots add up. The safety factor of being able to totally overwhelm something large with minimal air time etc.
Then, sometimes the last possible felling direction is straight up!
For reaching over houses and trunks too big to lift while cutting at base, we still use crane for pulling over. Crane operators usually won't help just straight pull a stick down, so it won't impact on the boom and take out the crane etc. when spar falls. So we take a line and large block, and redirect the line off a low anchor, now when the movment of the big stick starts, the line to crane slackens (if legs to pulley not crossed), so crane is safe, and you get a large pull to force a beefy hin ge for as strong and powerfull a hinge as ya can get. The crane operator can even read the line tension on his meter, to experiment and watch knowing the numbers and make sure gear and hitchings etc. aren't overloaded; but give ya plenty of power etc. The low anchor calls for mor arching on hinge. Then cut up trunks on ground (helps to lay onto brush and logs to keep saw out of dirt etc.); crane lift over house etc. With some padding and storng hinge, minimal damage to ground; beats hanging fingernails cutting with 066 and having several sections lifted off your head i think.
But, then i'm only a lil'spyder, up agianst the largest form of life known, gotta cheat sometimes!
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Wow, what a rush of testosterone as soon as I opened this thread.
I would add to original question about crane work would be checking and clearing an area to drop picks into. Need to make sure that after piece is cut there is an adequate place to drop it so ground crew can get it cleaned up and ready for next pick.
I would add to original question about crane work would be checking and clearing an area to drop picks into. Need to make sure that after piece is cut there is an adequate place to drop it so ground crew can get it cleaned up and ready for next pick.
MasterBlaster
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Cut to the chase
A crane allows you to move heavy loads and even more importantly, LOAD it on your truck.
Treeclimbing was around a lot longer than cranes have been operating. The crane is just another tool.
I know you can dig it.
A crane allows you to move heavy loads and even more importantly, LOAD it on your truck.
Treeclimbing was around a lot longer than cranes have been operating. The crane is just another tool.
I know you can dig it.
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A skid steer can load a truck too, and it's a lot cheaper.
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Drive a skid steer over a house, or pick up 6k pounds 125 feet away over a glass roof.
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That's true Carl, which makes the point I made earlier, that MB didn't get. To do those removals without a crane you need to be a skilled climber, with a crane, a climber of even moderate skills could get it done.
If you're bringing in a crane just to load logs, I hope your getting it cheap.
If you're bringing in a crane just to load logs, I hope your getting it cheap.
MasterBlaster
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Mike, you need to ask the crane operators what they think of climbers with 'moderate skill'.
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Mb, I realize there are a few different techniques used when working with a crane, but what specifically do you contend is hard about using a crane?
If I were sending out a moderately skilled climber to do a difficult removal, I would definately send a crane in, if it were an option.
If I were sending out a moderately skilled climber to do a difficult removal, I would definately send a crane in, if it were an option.
