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no, lucky I guess. been hit by plenty a sticks never a tree. most don't make it through that. had a cousin crushed by a load. glad trips are no more

You talkin' about trip bunks on a "bob" truck? They are still around down here in the sticks. Most are chained off but I do know of one truck that is still a functioning "side loader" and they still trip to unload. About 10 years ago there were (3) incidents of multiple deaths from trip bunks in the next county over from me...all in one year!
 
You talkin' about trip bunks on a "bob" truck? They are still around down here in the sticks. Most are chained off but I do know of one truck that is still a functioning "side loader" and they still trip to unload. About 10 years ago there were (3) incidents of multiple deaths from trip bunks in the next county over from me...all in one year!

trips on a pole trailer. I weld um up on every thing we get. they about illigel now anyway or should be. he let um go and one didn't, walked around to see why, then it went. no viewing.
long ago now. dumb mistake, but I weld um up good all the same.
 
Sounds dangerous. I have never seen a trip loader in action. I've had myself in some scary spots on a self loader a time or 2 .
 
Sounds dangerous. I have never seen a trip loader in action. I've had myself in some scary spots on a self loader a time or 2 .

trip stakes, they fly down ta unload. nobody here does that anymore. big loaders now and all.

I bet self loaders are a bit tricky, no cab. least short logs, heel a big turn a whole trees over head and wonder, when did I grease this thing last.
 
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How far above your stake tips are you guys allowed to load? We can go to 14 feet total height as long as everything is well saddled.

Sometimes the loader gets a bit carried away. The top of the exhaust stack in the first picture is 12 feet from the ground. Think this load might be a little high?
 
Yeah Bob we'd get our arses filed for that here in NY. not taller than 13'6" and cant be above the poles. also cant be over 80,000lbs on combinations without permits and cant be above 72,000lbs on tri axle self loaders without permits and enough of a bridge. There are a few guys in my area with quad axle self loaders .. but even with that they are only good to 77,000lbs with permits. So basically you could be axled to the hilt and still be over loaded and be under your load carrying capacity. NY sucks.
 
ha! looks like the ol man loaded that. he ain't happy unless they piled up like that. must be from his pileing haulin days in the 60s. we not really spossed ta go over stakes, but they don't bug us long as not to crazy. they might stop that here. surely would in del.
 
30 years ago in NY I guess ifin you had the axles you could carry what ever as long as it wasnt to high. Now they will pinch you on 2 or 3" over height and 1000lbs over weight. The state needs the $$$ I guess.
 
G'day. New to this forum, but no better place to start than this topic - it's a sore spot with me.

I just can't afford to hire a hand or two here in Ontario.

It's not so much the wages, but the gov't labour and safety regulations, mandatory workmen's compensation insurance, and other employer-paid premiums/benefits that keep me in the bush all alone.
 
We're still limited to 80 grand on 5 axles provided we have the bridge. Boosters and tag axles don't buy us any more carrying capacity so hardly anyone uses them. I'm surprised that California hasn't started requiring stake extensions on high loads but so far they've left us alone. The commercial cops watch for badly saddled loads though and that's an expensive ticket.

Back on topic...I've gotten big and spread out a couple of times with crews and machinery but I was always happiest staying small. The best part of logging is actually being in the woods and the bigger you get the less time you'll spend there.
Lots of men and equipment don't always guarantee a commensurate increase in net profit. Sometimes it's the opposite. I got big enough that I was spending more time on the phone and in meetings than I was spending in the woods. And, after I paid all the bills and wages and taxes and permit fees and the insurance people, I had about the same amount of money in my pocket as I would have made running a crew for somebody else.
I had a good cost control and a good bookkeeper but the amount of money I wasn't making surprised me sometimes. :laugh:
 
hey bob, always wondered, ya'll must have strict length law? we stretch pole trailers pretty long here. 75 foot trees go down the road often here.

We haul poles too and they're usually exempt from the length law. As long as at least 2/3 of the total length of the load is supported at each end and it's flagged you're good to go. There's always quite a bit of rear overhang with poles but not much height.

The trucks are limited to length of course and the logs are usually bucked to specified lengths depending on the mill and the species.
 
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How far above your stake tips are you guys allowed to load? We can go to 14 feet total height as long as everything is well saddled.

Sometimes the loader gets a bit carried away. The top of the exhaust stack in the first picture is 12 feet from the ground. Think this load might be a little high?

Gologit, I know most real loggers can't watch Axemen without getting nauseated but tonight they ran a clip of one of those huge old trucks (the ones with the planetary axles) that had a "load and half - 50,000 lbs over etc., etc." when it sideswiped a parked pickup truck. As the driver/bossman was surveying the damage the side let go and finished off the pickup for good. I don't know if it was staged or not, but it reminded me of my upbringing to never stand, walk or drive beside a loaded log truck. Ron
 
G'day. New to this forum, but no better place to start than this topic - it's a sore spot with me.

I just can't afford to hire a hand or two here in Ontario.

It's not so much the wages, but the gov't labour and safety regulations, mandatory workmen's compensation insurance, and other employer-paid premiums/benefits that keep me in the bush all alone.

welcome to a.s. Kodiak, yup same here unless find a way ta call it sub contract. like gologit says I've tried it both ways, way simpler this way.
 
Gologit, I know most real loggers can't watch Axemen without getting nauseated but tonight they ran a clip of one of those huge old trucks (the ones with the planetary axles) that had a "load and half - 50,000 lbs over etc., etc." when it sideswiped a parked pickup truck. As the driver/bossman was surveying the damage the side let go and finished off the pickup for good. I don't know if it was staged or not, but it reminded me of my upbringing to never stand, walk or drive beside a loaded log truck. Ron

Like a lot of stuff on AxMen that was obviously staged. But, not being too close to a load of logs is a good plan, too.
 
welcome to a.s. Kodiak, yup same here unless find a way ta call it sub contract. like gologit says I've tried it both ways, way simpler this way.

Buddy of mine tried that and ran into a few problems. First of all, it was hard to find enterprising young fellows who had the initiative to work that way - most want all the government-mandated 'perks'. When he finally did find a couple of men, the Canada Revenue Agency audited one of them and tied him and my Buddy up for weeks of paper-work and questions.

The CRA was insisting that it was an actual employee/employer relationship - so the young guys should not be entitled to write off their pickups and travel expenses, or, to claim a small office space in their homes. Don't know what it's like in the US, but up here, when the CRA takes a position, you're guilty until you prove yourself innocent.

And now, in this cash-starved province, our Workmen's Compensation fund has unfunded liabilities of 14 Billion dollars. So there's talk that the gov't is going to also make it mandatory for independent operators to pay the substantial WC premiums. That'll be the last straw for me.

I'm thinking of getting some big posters made up with pictures of farmers, ranchers, loggers, small business owners, and other private sector workers going about their daily work. And in big bold print:

A QUESTION FOR POLITICIANS AND BUREAUCRATS:

WHERE WILL YOUR PAYCHEQUE COME FROM WHEN YOU PUT ALL OF US OUT OF BUSINESS?
 
Guess the old saying really true.......Only two things in life certain........death and taxes .....in either order
 
yup Kodiak, its about the same down here. tax tax and more tax. I had to prove my son existed to the irs. my bottom line I won't tell, but it sure is funny compared to the gross. funnier every year really. ever wonder what they'll eat and were they'll live without people like us.
 
Like a lot of stuff on AxMen that was obviously staged. But, not being too close to a load of logs is a good plan, too.

Gee, you mean like when that loud mouth turkey neck "Coatsy" deliberately lost that trailer half full of nasty mulch wood?
 
Gee, you mean like when that loud mouth turkey neck "Coatsy" deliberately lost that trailer half full of nasty mulch wood?

You mean that isnt a common rookie mistake like they said it was? lol ... Watching that show makes me want to choke someone.....then puke.....
 

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