warjohn
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I misread post #74 I thought that is what you were talking about. I am an idiot. I hope I did not cause problems.
Partner P 7700 - the missing link
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I misread post #74 I thought that is what you were talking about. I am an idiot. I hope I did not cause problems.
SawTroll
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415 or 425 or both, not sure (= have no idea) what the difference is.
Edit; It might be the "Super Clean" that makes the difference........
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SawTroll
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I bought this saw especially for Sawtroll...I know he loves the story of the partner saws that determined the future shape of husqvarna and jonsereds...hehe.
It's a 660, the smaller sister of the P7700, known to be the first saw with air injection. It's exactly the same saw, except for the P/C which is smaller.
the power head seems pretty bulky, but there's a lot of plastic on this saw, so the weight is pretty good. Sawtroll mentioned it to be a semi pro saw, but it revs as good and fast as the 7700. I'd have to pull the jug to see its porting to be sure...but that'll happen another time.
Note also that the cover says professional.
the twins...
Now you have to start looking for a 710.....
Now you have to start looking for a 710.....
grrrr, that's not helping keeping my budget under control....
SawTroll
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Latest update, the PP445 probably wasn't introduced before in 1996, so maybe not the P710 either - what is sure is that both were late additions to the "family".
So this 2077 that I just picked up is actually a Partner in a red dress?? Correct?
SawTroll
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Yes, a P7700, also sold as PP475 - but nothing wrong with that!
Partner and PP were pro saw brands back then.
Partner and PP were pro saw brands back then.
Yes, a P7700, also sold as PP475 - but nothing wrong with that!
Partner and PP were pro saw brands back then.
Nothing derogatory meant.
Just curious about the bloodlines.
SawTroll
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Nothing derogatory meant.
Just curious about the bloodlines.
The P7700 was the saw that started that "family", but I still don't know exactly when.....
JJuday
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It didn't occur to me before this morning that the P 7700 might have been
the first saw with that feature.
Until now, I have believed that the Husky 262xp was the first saw with "Air injection" ("Turbo" in Jonsered language). I believe it was released in 1989 maybe a little earlier. Rumors have said that it really was a Partner invention, but first released on a production saw, on the 262xp after E-lux takeover of Partner.
As the J. 2077 (1990) and 2083 (1994) both were designated "Turbo", and was based on the P 7700, I find it reasonable to believe that the 7700 had it too, and that saw was released several years before any other saw mentioned above (1983/-84).
Any thoughts on this?
Anyone able to tell us the facts?
The Remington Super 880, 1963 was the first saw with an Air Injection System. Please don't give Husqvarna credit for that anymore. This info is per Mike Acres site.
Great thread, I never knew there was so much to Partner and what a contribution they and Jonsered made to sawkind. JJuday
SawTroll
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I know about that, but it wasn't quite the same thing.....
The oldest evidence I actually have found on the fully developed "Air Injection" etc is a mid 1989 262xp IPL.
JJuday
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I know about that, but it wasn't quite the same thing.....
The oldest evidence I actually have found on the fully developed "Air Injection" etc is a mid 1989 262xp IPL.
LOL! I suppose Dolmar should not get credit for inventing the first one man portable gasoline chainsaw because it was not the fully developed version like the 346XP!
You know, you could just give Remington credit for at least bringing the idea to market a full 20+ years ahead of Husqvarna. Everything had to start out somewhere in some raw form, at least raw from our present perspective, but Remington did bring to market the first saw with "Air Injection".
Mike Acres also used the term Turbo in parenthesis, I'm not sure why, maybe it was used to show the similarities between the Husq/Jonsered/Partner desing and the original from Remington.
JJuday
I'm not really up on these old chainsaw facts to jump into this air injection conversation, but this Pioneer 14-20 had air injection in 1966. I have no idea how "refined" it was, but it was out there.
SawTroll
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SawTroll
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Known stories - I have given up determining both who originated that "thing", and who made the first chainsaw a long time ago - there just are too many ways to define the questions.
It is possible to imagine a "blood-line" going back from Husky, Jonsered and Poulan, via Partner and Pioneer/Partner, back to Pioneer - but Remington doesn't fit in, as far as I know. I don't think it ever was patented.
Man of $tihl
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thats some good reading. i was searching poulan pro 505 because i bought one today. thought i would give this a bump.
MS460WOODCHUCK
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thats some good reading. i was searching poulan pro 505 because i bought one today. thought i would give this a bump.
And here is mine! I know the 505 is based on the 2083 but did partner make a 83cc model like this or did they stop at the 77cc 7700?
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Man of $tihl
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man i hope mine cleans up like yours!:msp_smile:
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SawTroll
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The partners stopped at 77cc, while Jonsereds and PP had the 82.4cc ones.
Partner and PP had the smaller ones (65 and 71cc), but not Jonsered.
