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slowp said:
That's not a very fish friendly culvert!:hmm3grin2orange:
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only fish in there right now are 2-3 inch long ,baby salmon ,if that creek is like one on my property ,i think they will fit the culvert :msp_wink:
 
Up on highway 9 at Wickersham (by the fire station) there closing the road down for a few days because it's only a 2 ' colvert :msp_wink:
 
Trx250r180 said:
only fish in there right now are 2-3 inch long ,baby salmon ,if that creek is like one on my property ,i think they will fit the culvert :msp_wink:
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Nope. According to the fish biologists, you have to design the culvert so the weakest fish--think Fish With Disabilities Act, can pass through.
The Forest Service biologists turn pale at the mention of a temporary log culvert fish or no in the water. Otherwise, those log culverts are a wonderful thing and can be "recycled" after being pulled out.

The fish friendly movement is what is causing a lot of arches and bridges to be put in where culverts were the norm.
 
we have done the log bridge thing but i think they may flip if i put chips on top. mostly we now use 30 foot bridge matts. i have seen steel bridges but i would think they expensive.
 
HPA's are a wonderful pain in the butt :D but got the job done at the lowest cost. Would have had to yarded it through an RMZ otherwise... woulda bowed that baby up.

Nope Clint was on the processor.

Tell me more about these mats. Sounds like that could be an alternative if chips ever become frowned upon...:rolleyes:

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yj, I think the state boys here would be afraid of the chips entering the water way. really tightened up on any type of runoff. bridge matts are 5 8x12s 30' long bolted together. normally the better ones are oak. crude and heavy but effective. some of you may call them crane matts. I have takin to putting down 3 wide to lesson the chance of material being pulled in by the pulled hitch. yea, they check down stream some times. its a good thing, some operators didn't care back in the day and you can still see damage 30 years later. the matts are kinda high, but a nessesary expence.
 
I figured you were talkin mud mats/crane mats. Three wide is a good idea if your skidding across it, we were just backing trucks over it to be loaded. Here sediment is the big issue. If in this case a few chips fell in when things are pulled its not so big of issue because its not sediment but organic matter which is considered to be different and be more fish friendly. I expect someday it to get to the level of needing mats but it's okay for now. Do you guys have to do hydraulic permits for temp crossings? This isn't something you can just throw together and do. Have to apply for a hydraulics permit and once its approved you have a specific time period (hydraulics season) to work in. Our season is July 1st or 2nd to sometime in September, the 30th I believe. Dahlgren slammed this out in about a week and a half I believe it was; maybe a tad more. Think it was about 250,000 feet, maybe it was more, can't remember exactly.

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yep, we also use truck matts, a smaller flater version to keep mud off the roads. no season here, it relitivly flat so not usualy spikes in water volume. yes there is a permit but it free and the state n county boys know me very well. so far they just tell me to call them if i have a ?. we have never had a problem. do you guys get to do a selection in the buffer of non tidal water ways? we do but tidal gets a no cut width depending on slope.
 
oh yea, organic matter is now being blamed for oyster decline in the chesapeke so yeah things are changing. they even talkin about goose droppings so who knows what they gonna come up with. don't get me wrong, we need some regulation but lately proposals getting a bit ridiculus.
 
treeslayer2003 said:
yep, we also use truck matts, a smaller flater version to keep mud off the roads. no season here, it relitivly flat so not usualy spikes in water volume. yes there is a permit but it free and the state n county boys know me very well. so far they just tell me to call them if i have a ?. we have never had a problem. do you guys get to do a selection in the buffer of non tidal water ways? we do but tidal gets a no cut width depending on slope.
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Yes sort of. We have 50 foot no cut core zone then an outer and an inner zone. Without getting too technical management can take place in the inner and outer zones but it all depends on the timber size in the core zone, which is referred to desired future conditions (DFC), and site class. DFC is basically what they want it to look like at a certain age but I forget what it is. The closer you are to meeting DFC minimums the more you can do. The Riparian Management Zone (RMZ) is dependent on site class and this determines total RMZ width. Stream width and whether it is fish bearing or not is considered also. It's quite the set of rules but once ya get if figured out it's not too bad. :dizzy:
 

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