pine removal

[custom8726]

couple of wedges and 15 minutes, job would be done. i would try to do a job in such a way that there is little impact from whats around me. when job is done, you would not know a tree was there. climbing may be a waste of time. its safer and more efficient to just drop this tree. if there is something wrong with dropping this tree, you should know then. like not enough room or something underground. also a pull line may be like a free insurance policy it just might help or be unused.

:monkey:

 

[treesurgeon]

:monkey:

ok i read the first post.
if tree is dead, drop or use a bucket only.
if that dont work than call a professional to help.

 

[clearance]

Why not just fall trees if its possible? I figure it makes it look to easy, so people climb and screw about or use thier bucket. Kind of justifies the bid, I guess. Climbing an easy tree to strip and chunk is a piece of cake. Falling takes some skill, and confidence. In my world, guys would laugh and mock, "why didn't you just fall it, what a passy"

Anyways guys, try it sometime, then try it some more. Its the only way to get comfortable doing it. It can't all be fancy pants pruning now.

 

[Garfield]

Thanks

Thanks for all the different viewpoints on the job, that's what I was after. I bid this job based on a picture and a phone conversation. It is 2 hours from where i live. I was going to the inlaws with a truck anyway in the same town and to boot my father in law has a place to pile this and burn it. ( He'll burn it later when he's burning anyway.) His tree work will be free so it works out to leave him with the mess. I am trying to decide whether to bring my grapple truck or a bucket truck. I will be by myself so I would prefer the grapple truck so I don't load it by hand. I learn so much by just reading here but this direct response to this job is just great. Thank you. Garfield

 

[Garfield]

decision

I think I'll do the climb it 2/3 of the way up taking limbs off the back on the way up then tie the rope and cum-along it over if gravity doesn't take care of it. If this were near my house I would take the bucket over then the grapple but no such luck. With Diesel fuel prices I would not think of taking both trucks. Back on the farm I could have cut it down whole then drug it with a pickup to the burn pile.....somehow i don't think this would fly.

 

[murphy4trees]

Bring The Graple

Are you kidding... leave the bucket home and bring the grapple... Getting it down is easy... hauling it is the work!

I AM with RB... tree is not dead... just dying... only a slight lean and can certainly be controlled with a good open face notch and back cut... Only I'd use a throwline and set a pull line and probably pull with a truck, though might pull with a 3:1 z rig... Have the tree on the ground in 15 minutes...

On the other hand if I thought it would save the lawn from damage and time on clean up, I might strap on the hooks and limb it on the way up, then drop the stick...

Simple tree either way as long as you know how to cut a clean notch and proper back cut...

If you don't know......learn how! Accurate falling is the most valuable and productive skill you can have in this business...

 

[custom8726]

Why not just fall trees if its possible? I figure it makes it look to easy, so people climb and screw about or use thier bucket. Kind of justifies the bid, I guess. Climbing an easy tree to strip and chunk is a piece of cake. Falling takes some skill, and confidence. In my world, guys would laugh and mock, "why didn't you just fall it, what a passy"

Anyways guys, try it sometime, then try it some more. Its the only way to get comfortable doing it. It can't all be fancy pants pruning now.

Risk!! Is why it is often better to climb and limb out then just flop the whole thing. Besides the fact that raking up 50' of debre is harder then 4-6' when climbed or done out of the bucket. There are the other variables like damage to the lawn from dropping the whole tree or the greater possibility of damage to other trees and property from a misplaced notch or un-known rot in the base of the tree. There are plenty of other reasons but you probably get the point, If you are in the woods or the tree is dead, lighting strucked, split, ETC.. Then a educated risk might be more appropriate but if you have the knowledge to safely climb and piece the tree out it is often the better choice in the long run. IMO.. PASSY I guess, but 11 years without a insurance claim says something, not recking the home owners lawn and or property does also.

 

[rbtree]

ok i read the first post.
if tree is dead, drop or use a bucket only.
if that dont work than call a professional to help.

Huh? That tree would be safe to climb to within 15 feet of the top, if it were needed....which, of course, it isn't.

 

[ccrider2240]

id tip it over

 

[ClimbinArbor]

id bite the trunk like a beaver, pus it over with my right hand and catch the whole tree on my left shoulder. then discus toss it to the father in laws property....:monkey:



just climb it and have some fun. piece the whole thing out. the grapples not a bad idea tho. unless father in law has a truck and trailer.....

 

[ropensaddle]

That is too easy but everyone that has been in this biz many
years knows it is always the easy ones that turn into ****.
They are easy yes but complacency should be avoided.
I would prolly fell it by putting my 40000 lb winch cable
on it at twenty five foot and getting a good pull. It would
depend on turf,underground utilities, septic tanks etc.
It would be a 15 minute job of cutting but I always take
that long to assess the tree before felling and it has saved$
in some instance's things not seen are the things that cause
damage and injury. Felling a large tree no matter how many
thousands you may have done requires a good inspection
first!

 

[ropensaddle]

Why, because its fun. Piecing it down with a truck, wheres the fun, the risk? No guts, no glory, money shot baby.


Nailsbeats it right as well. Good post.

Clearance I have enjoyed felling many,many bad dead trees when
the insurer was the power company. It changes some when you
and your family's assets are at stake! I would fell that tree yes
but the money shot nah the money shot I most remembered in
this decade was considered the state record loblolly that died . I ended up
felling half the tree out from fifty foot with no bucket access.
This tree at fifty foot was 52" diameter and I did not have a lot
of room to lay the top, two feet from the fence is where it landed
and three feet from a fountain at the butt. It had to fall close to
perfect and was not going to fell it until I started thinking of blocking
down all that wood of that diameter! I would have had to cut it in
two inch wafers and still would have been hard to handle. Landed
absolutely perfect but the sight gauge did give me a little more room
than in actuality!

 

[Garfield]

Sight Gauge

Ropensaddle, i see the sight gauge in the sherrill catalog. Is this difficult to use? Does it come with an instruction manual? Thanks for your insight. Just today I pulled a tree that had split off of a travel trailer with a crane. I showed up and had the guy sign a liability waiver for the travel trailer then he wants me to hurry up and get the tree off. I say, I will get it off but first I need to walk around it a couple times and look and think before we do anything. I know you signed the waiver but so far I have never actually done anything I needed the waiver for and todays not a good day to start.

 

[ropensaddle]

Ropensaddle, i see the sight gauge in the sherrill catalog. Is this difficult to use? Does it come with an instruction manual? Thanks for your insight. Just today I pulled a tree that had split off of a travel trailer with a crane. I showed up and had the guy sign a liability waiver for the travel trailer then he wants me to hurry up and get the tree off. I say, I will get it off but first I need to walk around it a couple times and look and think before we do anything. I know you signed the waiver but so far I have never actually done anything I needed the waiver for and todays not a good day to start.

I must confess that it may have been operator error with the gaugeIt does have directions but my interpretation of them is sometimes a little sketchy. I always try to leave a little margin for error but this tree was tight and I wanted to fell the top and then drop the fifty foot butt log and not make another cut. The customer was going to clean up and I grinned about that all the way home and my wife said I grinned the first two hours of sleep:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[oldirty]

i say climb it and limb it. dump the top, dump some wood, lay the stick on top of the mess. bring in your grapple and load it all in one shot. yah it may be fun to fell it but it'll be a mess. if you go up you can keep the mess in one spot. perfect.

cant get much easier than that gig right there. especially since you got the grapple on your team.

 

[tree MDS]

I would put my tractor winch on it far up as I could reach from standing in the bucket, tention it, lock it, box it backcut it, approriately, step back wave for the smackdown, and then cleanup/run around and flush cut all the stubs sticking out of the customers lawn so they can mow. No, pretty much what oldirty said, lol.

 

[ClimbinArbor]

i say climb it and limb it. dump the top, dump some wood, lay the stick on top of the mess. bring in your grapple and load it all in one shot. yah it may be fun to fell it but it'll be a mess. if you go up you can keep the mess in one spot. perfect.

cant get much easier than that gig right there. especially since you got the grapple on your team.

WOOOOOO i like that dirty!!!