Pinhead saw comparisons

[Big Woody]

People are always trying to compare this saw to that saw even though they are vastly different saws sometimes.

As an example here is my point: It is totally meaningless to compare a new saw like a 7900 with 165 psi + compression to an older saw like a 288 xp which some one pulls out of the shed with maybe 135 psi compression, and then claim the 7900 is a way better saw cause it outcuts the 288.

Also are they tached/tuned to the same rpm? I'll bet most who make comparisons don't have a tach or know what rpm's the saws are set at. If one is set slower than the other of course it will cut slower.

And then to always compare em with 20 or 24 inch bars, as well, is a little foolish. A new 7900 would probably outcut a stock 3120 or an 088 with a 20 or 24 inch bar just based on chain speed since the big saws generally run slower.

Bottom line: comparing a new saw to an older used lower compression saw, even if they are in the same class, doesn't provide any meaningful information.

A meaningful comparison should be as objective as possible. Otherwise it may be fun but the conclusions are really meaningless.:bang:

 

[Trigger-Time]

Yep!

 

[begleytree]

. it may be fun

there is the answer to your question. nothing wrong with a friendly arguement once in a while, right?
-Ralph

 

[Trigger-Time]

there is the answer to your question. nothing wrong with a friendly arguement once in a while, right?
-Ralph

Also, Yep :biggrinbounce2:

 

[SawTroll]

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A meaningful comparison should be as objective as possible. Otherwise it may be fun but the conclusions are really meaningless.:bang:

That is of course true, but the video comparison was great fun to look at....:greenchainsaw:

I don't think anyone took it seriously.

 

[Gologit]

That is of course true, but the video comparison was great fun to look at....:greenchainsaw:

I don't think anyone took it seriously.

Well said. They key here is not to take any of this stuff seriously enough to make yourself grouchy over it. Just because someone doesn't agree with your idea or belief doesn't make him an enemy...just different. Sometimes real,real different. But that can be the fun of it too.

 

[Trigger-Time]

Well said. They key here is not to take any of this stuff seriously enough to make yourself grouchy over it. Just because someone doesn't agree with your idea or belief doesn't make him an enemy...just different. Sometimes real,real different. But that can be the fun of it too.

I will say Yep again. I have read some post that kind of tick me off
some times, but I try to go read some other post and in a little bit
I'm over it. Life is to short to get mad about some old saw.

 

[FourMoCajuns]

Hey Big Woody I was the origional poster on that thread and I never said anything about testing anything against an old low compression saw. All I asked was how they stacked up not for timed cuts or the like.
If in the future someone asks what outcuts what just do yourself a favor and don't read the post at all. After all you wouldn't want to be seen hanging out with pinheads!

 

[SawTroll]

One cut, in one size and type of wood, will never tell the whole story anyway, it is just for fun (hopefully)........:deadhorse: :deadhorse:

 

[twoodward15]

I have to disagree to a point. You can't have two different saws and then detune one so it runs the same as the other for a comparison. If one saw is a better saw it will come out on top. That's like detuning a shelby cobra so that it is equal to a yugo in performance so we can "compare" the saws. The better saw will win and they should all be compared the way they run. If you can't make your saw run as fast as mine (or vice versa) then you don't deserve to win!!!!!!
The compression game I will give you.
Tached to the same rpm? You want me to detune my saw so you can have a chance at saying yours is better (not yours in that sense, but another saw)?
I'll disagree on bar length when a 24 inch bar is in 24 inch wood. The big slow turning saw should win.
But as said earlier, don't let it bother you, it'll just make you grouchy. Run what ya brung.

 

[windthrown]

Comparing saws?

I do not get it... what is wrong with comparing one saw with another one? Ever since there were two guys standing around with two different axes about 5,000 years ago, they had to compare them to each other. One had a bigger axe made of stone, and the other had a smaller axe made of bronze. The one with the bigger axe bragged about it so that they got into a heated debate. Then they decided to have a competition using them, and the guy with the smaller axe won becasue it was bronze and sharper and better. Then the guy with the bigger axe clobbered the other guy over the head and decided to take the bronze axe for himself.

Ever since humans evolved we have been comparing stuff. One guy's yert compared to another's thatch roof hut. One guys horse compared to another's oxen. One guys sword compared to another's mace. One guy's Model T Ford vs another's guys horse and buggy. Human nature.

Now, how about these saws for comparison? The handy storebought Echo vs the Stihl professional modified hot saw? I think that the guy with the hotsaw is having more fun... :greenchainsaw:

 

[Lakeside53]

Thall:

Ultra:

 

[B_Turner]

Bottom line: comparing a new saw to an older used lower compression saw, even if they are in the same class, doesn't provide any meaningful information.

I don't agree that saw comparisons don't provide meaningful information. If a trial doesn't take all factors into account means an overall ranking based on the result of the trial may be flawed. But hardly that it provides no meaningful information. It just doesn't provide all meaningful information.

For example I know from experience that burying a 36 inch bar will have the 7900 come out short as compared to my 395 (or 066). But timing the 7900 in a cut in smaller wood is just more information, even though not all the information.

 

[sawinredneck]

I just can't understand how people can do these stupid thins like this?
Don't they have better things to do?
I can't see where any fun could be had from this, much less knowledge gained!!
What could the possibly be thinking?
I think they need to star following my example!!!!

I NEVER mess up!!!!


:deadhorse: :hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange:

 

[CaseyForrest]

Thall:

Ultra:

ROFLMFAO!!!!!

Thats just funny as all get out.

 

[Buckeye]

:taped:

 

[ciscoguy01]

Facts

Dude, take it easy. It was all in good fun. Fact of the matter, for the sizes your right. How can you stack up an older saw, i.e. 10+ yrs, to a brand stinking new one eh? It was meant as entertainment, a rough idea, something to give everyone with any type of interest or ANY humor at all some enjoyment. Since you watched the vid, I hope it at least amused you a little. These weren't benchmarks, just a good ole' boy havin some fun with some saws. Don't be so critical eh? FYI, about a year ago the 288 had new rings, the 394 just had the top end rebuilt before the owner purchased it. The 056 needs a tuneup, the 044 has a muffler mod, and the 266 needs a new bolt in the muffler. Like stated, all saws had new chains on them except the 056. One other thing, why on earth would anyone compare a 79cc saw to a 90 or greater cc sized saw??? That's just silly. I'd just like to make it clear though. THERE AIN'T A SAW MADE OUT THERE THAT CAN RUN WITH A 7900 STOCK FOR STOCK AT THAT CC RATING OR BELOW!!!! If there is one, I'll buy it tomorrow dude. Now have some fun and watch that video again. I'm trying to get my numbers up on google, lmao...

Oh, and why you gotta call us pinheads??? I'm not calling you a chode...

 

[asb151]

I thought the video was entertaining. People should lighten up and take it for what is is.

 

[ciscoguy01]

Wife

The wife was gonna parade around like in a boxing match in a bikini with the big numbers of the saws on cards, lmfao. Twas a little cold for that though, maybe the next one eh? :hmm3grin2orange:

BOINGGGG!!!!!!!!!

 

[Gologit]

Dude, take it easy. It was all in good fun.

Oh, and why you gotta call us pinheads??? I'm not calling you a chode...

Okay...I know what a pinhead is. But what the hell is a "chode". :hmm3grin2orange: Bob