Pioneer chainsaws

[pioneerguy600]

sure is good to hear that somebody takes a great interest in having these old Chain Saws Roar Back To Life!!! I know that Jerry is some where up here in Ontario, Canada on Holidays. I think he said he was going to be back some time this week. If nobody has posted Pictures to help you, I'm sure he will. Bruce. P.S. Nice Chain Saw by the way.

Hi Bruce; Just got back from wonderful Ontario and had a great couple of weeks up there. My computer crashed while I was away and it will take me a while to get everything up and running again but at least I can post for now.
I see Lawrence has some interesting picts up of a clearing saw he told me about a while back, never saw one from Pioneer, very unusual indeed.
Pioneerguy600

 

[dancan]

Hi Bruce; Just got back from wonderful Ontario and had a great couple of weeks up there. My computer crashed while I was away and it will take me a while to get everything up and running again but at least I can post for now.
I see Lawrence has some interesting picts up of a clearing saw he told me about a while back, never saw one from Pioneer, very unusual indeed.
Pioneerguy600

Glad to see your back in ns , here's a pioneer ad for you .
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-...-old-pioneer-chainsaw-as-is-W0QQAdIdZ70005507

 

[pioneerguy600]

Glad to see your back in ns , here's a pioneer ad for you .
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-...-old-pioneer-chainsaw-as-is-W0QQAdIdZ70005507

Thanks Dan; that looks like a 650 to me as it has a green top cover. got three of them currently, one like new,one modified and one mostly for parts.
Pioneerguy600

 

[pioneerguy600]

hey bruce , lawrence glad you liked the pics. soon as i can get all the bits i need to finish her off she will get a coat of paint and some new chrome to bring her right back. i dont know of anyone else having a pioneer but a mate has seen one in a town near by and he is gonna try and get it for me. he said its identical to this old girl.maybe i can have a pair
aaron

Porky 616, your throttle linkage is just a piece of wire the size of a coathanger made into a j hook shape to connect the throttle lever to the Tillotson carb,you are coming along nicely with your refurbishing on the 600.
Pioneerguy600

 

[USAFretired]

P-42

Thanks for the info and the welcome, I'm looking forward to gaining a wealth of information from all the experts out there. I just might have to switch from collecting computers to collecting old chainsaws. Not sure if that would make the wife happier or not, but it won't be as expensive. I couldn't wait to get home from work today and fire it up. I love the sound of it. After doing some cutting I think I'll put it to bed and try to restore it cosmetically. Mechanically it seems pretty solid. Again, thanks for the info and if anyone knows where I can get paint, decals and maybe a new case, just drop me a line. Maybe I can trade some PC equipment for some parts. opcorn: :greenchainsaw:

 

[WesternSaw]

Hellllloooo Jerry!

Hey welcome back Jerry!
Glad to hear you had a nice vacation in Ontario.Sorry to hear about your computer.I have been there for sure.To this day I have lost some good contacts and websites I had stored on the computer.That reminds me, I have to start printing off loads of stuff so I do not loose it again.Well I was looking forward to you coming home and looking at the pictures of the BrushKing.I thought propliner or yourself would know something about this setup.Jerry if you take a look at the pics again you will see that the BrushKing was made by a US company called Rowco in Keene New Hampshire.The saw is the 1200 model,but there is a part decal that says Pioneer on the shaft of the BrushKing.The BrushKing appears to have been painted yellow when it was new.The only info I get when I google it is something about a patent in, I think 1970.Do you think there was a chance that Pioneer teamed up with this company to put a few out as a combo package.I have to tell you guy's this thing is weighing real heavy on my mind.A real mystery that I want solved.I need some good cold case guys on this.I have been to some Farm related sites also but no luck.I mean somebody has to know about this thing.
Lawrence

 

[Bruce Hopf]

Hi Bruce thanks for the the reply on the BrushKing.Bruce I would think that there would be some old machines like that in Ontario.I mean some of that farmland's outer edges must have had a lot of brush at one time.Could you ask around your farming community about this old machine for me.By the way some where on this site I was sure I saw a McCullough hooked up to a similar type of brush cutter ,I have tried searching on the site but to no avail.Keep me posted.Do you have pictures posted on the site?May be I'm not looking in the right places.
Thanks Lawrence

Lawerence.
That Brush Cutter from McCulloch is in the McCulloch Chain Saw Thread. Bruce

 

[Bruce Hopf]

Hi Bruce; Just got back from wonderful Ontario and had a great couple of weeks up there. My computer crashed while I was away and it will take me a while to get everything up and running again but at least I can post for now.
I see Lawrence has some interesting picts up of a clearing saw he told me about a while back, never saw one from Pioneer, very unusual indeed.
Pioneerguy600

Hi Jerry.
How was your trip? Sorry about the Computer. Mine Crashed a couple of months ago. I'm still trying to recover some stuff, by reprogramming, but there is a lot of stuff lost, I cant recover.
I agree about Lawrence's Clearing Saw. At first glance, I thought he had it made in both worlds, Clearing Brush, and a Chain Saw all in one, until I noticed that he had no Oil Tank on the Power Head, to oil the chain. Very Interesting looking machine. Bruce.

 

[WesternSaw]

Hi Bruce

Heh Bruce how are you doing lately? I see you have been busy with your different posts on various saws.It will be good for me also to know the various makers and models of saws.Bruce the Pioneer 1200 that is attached to the BrushKing attachment has an oil tank and oiler pump button for a chain.It definitely was made to do both jobs.I think?????
Lawrence

 

[propliner]

Pulling oiler gear

Hi guys, slightly off topic, but I was wondering if anyone has successfully removed the oiler gear from the crankshaft on the big Pioneers without damaging it, and what your method is? Tool #507474329 is $53 and would take a few weeks to get here so I'd like to find an easy way around this, if possible.

I have my new P50 apart and am changing the crankcase seals. The cylinder and piston are in incredibly good shape, so I'll just put the saw back together with new hardware, carb kit, hoses and AV mounts and keep it all original.

Brendon.

 

[Bruce Hopf]

Heh Bruce how are you doing lately? I see you have been busy with your different posts on various saws.It will be good for me also to know the various makers and models of saws.Bruce the Pioneer 1200 that is attached to the Rushking attachment has an oil tank and oiler pump button for a chain.It definitely was made to do both jobs.I think?????
Lawrence

Lawrence.
That thing had me guessing. I thought at first, you could do more then 1 job with it. Brush Cutting, and Cutting Fire Wood.
As for me, I'm still kicking. I started seeing my Psychologist again. I hadn't went for a couple of Months since I've been there. I still have a lot of Issues that I need to get worked out.
I've learned that having a Nervous Break Down is no Picnic. I just keep plugging along, cutting a bit of fire wood, repairing some McCulloch Chain Saws.
My Carburetor repair kits came in, and I was able to finally get the Pro Mac 10-10 running. It was a Chain Saw, I bought from e Bay.
It had no Spark. The spark Plug Wire was worn through, and grounded out. I fixed that, and it had weak spark, so I ripped out the Points, and Condenser, and installed an Ignition Module instead.
It needed a Carburetor Repair Kit, and after all that, It is a good running Chain Saw. I put a New 16" Bar and Chain on it, wrapped the Front Handle with Cork Bicycle Wrap, borrowed a Chain Brake Assembly from my Pro Mac 60, and put the old Clutch Cover back on the Pro Mac 60, for me to use.
Now my 18 year old Step Son has a good running Chain Saw. When he saw it last night, when he got home from work, he was excited about it. He even said it Was Awesome.
He doesn't have much Chain Saw Experience, just cutting with a Mini Mac, and I don't want to have him running a Chain Saw with out a Chain Break. Me I have almost 30 years cutting, and never had a Chain Break on my Chain Saws before, except my Dad's Pro Mac 700. I put a Chain Break on my Dad's Mac 10-10 Automatic, and my Pro Mac 60 6 years ago.
Since I got in my Carburetor Repair Kits I've been also working on a few of my Mini Macs, and getting them to run. I've got 2 done, and 7 to go. I to try and do something at least, something I really enjoy.
Thanks. Bruce.

 

[porky616]

Porky 616, your throttle linkage is just a piece of wire the size of a coathanger made into a j hook shape to connect the throttle lever to the Tillotson carb,you are coming along nicely with your refurbishing on the 600.
Pioneerguy600

thanx jerry i thought it may have been a wire linkage. i need a few parts for the old girl do you know anyone who has a fuel bowl mine has a small chip in it. also need the seals for the bowl and a carby kit. the air cleaner is pretty sad but i think i can fix it. and a rewind spring or complete starter assembly if possible, we think there maybe a few bits missing it dont retract very well. i gotta say that old girls got some dang good compression she ring barked me finger with the pull cord!

 

[pioneerguy600]

thanx jerry i thought it may have been a wire linkage. i need a few parts for the old girl do you know anyone who has a fuel bowl mine has a small chip in it. also need the seals for the bowl and a carby kit. the air cleaner is pretty sad but i think i can fix it. and a rewind spring or complete starter assembly if possible, we think there maybe a few bits missing it dont retract very well. i gotta say that old girls got some dang good compression she ring barked me finger with the pull cord!

Hi porky616; I just got through looking your 600 series picts over and your saw looks basically sound, a real good cleaning and a few minor parts and it should run great. I have all the parts you could ever want for the 600 series saws but it takes forever to ship parts from Canada to overseas destinations, something like 3 months from here to Belgium. You have the Fairbanks Morse recoil starter mechanism on your saw with starter dogs and an aluminum cup bolted to the crankshaft end. These are problematic if not set up properly. I take it that the starter will engage and turn the engine over but is the problem that the cord will not fully recoil ?
Do you have the air shield that covers the cylinder fins,it is made of plain aluminum and would have two black rubber bumpers that help to support the top cover, yellow with the green tree, it catches the air flow from the flywheel and directs it to the cylinder fins. These saws really need them and will overheat easily in hot weather without one. Is your airfilter the oval shaped one which would have been stock for a 600 but many were converted to a flat type filter that were stock for the 620 and 650.
The carb kits are quite easy to find, they are referred to as Tillotson HL kits and can be found with the complete diaphragms,needle and seats,metering levers, welch plugs and gaskets to do a complete rebuild.You should be able to get them through any small engine repair shop.
Keep us updated on your progress. Pioneerguy600

 

[pioneerman]

Since nobody has answered your question about taking the oiler gear on the P series, I'll tell you how I remove it. I have always get them off by using a large screw driver, about a foot long. Gently pry the gear away from the crankshaft. You have to go around the gear and pry in different places. It will only move a little bit so it takes some time, but I've always got them off. The key to success is to keep moving the screwdriver around the gear because the gear tends to only slide over on the side that your are prying on. Do not use brute strength or you will break the gear or the case.

 

[porky616]

hi jerry thanx for your reply, when we got the saw the recoil spring was broken and we replaced it with one from another old mac saw which worked ok but it still didnt seem to engage the dogs very well. that spring didnt last very long as i think it was to soft and wouldnt rewind the cord after about 30 pulls. the air filter is a flat sorta rectangle style im guessin this is the after market one you mention it has a brass screen with metal frame and a fibre filter. it has the aluminium cover still there it even has all the fuel settings still on the sticker which made me think it hasnt had much use. gave the chain a clean and sharpen last night and found it to be a pioneer chain with the rakers that lift up. as for postage times im not fussed if it takes me a year to get all me bits for the old girl she been around a long time now im sure she wont mind waiting a bit longer. ill swing down the local mower shop and see if he can get the carby kit for me, spoke to him bout bar and chain the other day and he can get me oregon gear no worries at all, he rang another bloke and asked about parts for the saw and he said there aint none in australia try the arborist site! so im on the right track. aaron

 

[propliner]

oiler gear

Thanks, Pioneerman. I got the gear off by prying like you said. I may have been too agressive and dinged it a couple of times but no sweat, I have a new one. After I pulled the seals (on my P50) I realized the bearings were shot so now I am down to split cases with the crank out. Now I just need to clean it up, put in the new bearings, gasket and seals and start reassembling. I hope to have it running tomorrow sometime if all goes well.

 

[pioneerguy600]

hi jerry thanx for your reply, when we got the saw the recoil spring was broken and we replaced it with one from another old mac saw which worked ok but it still didnt seem to engage the dogs very well. that spring didnt last very long as i think it was to soft and wouldnt rewind the cord after about 30 pulls. the air filter is a flat sorta rectangle style im guessin this is the after market one you mention it has a brass screen with metal frame and a fibre filter. it has the aluminium cover still there it even has all the fuel settings still on the sticker which made me think it hasnt had much use. gave the chain a clean and sharpen last night and found it to be a pioneer chain with the rakers that lift up. as for postage times im not fussed if it takes me a year to get all me bits for the old girl she been around a long time now im sure she wont mind waiting a bit longer. ill swing down the local mower shop and see if he can get the carby kit for me, spoke to him bout bar and chain the other day and he can get me oregon gear no worries at all, he rang another bloke and asked about parts for the saw and he said there aint none in australia try the arborist site! so im on the right track. aaron

Ok PM me your mailing address and a list of parts you need.
Pioneerguy600

 

[porky616]

the filter pic for you jerry

 

[pioneerguy600]

the filter pic for you jerry

Your filter is one from the later 600 series saws used mostly on the 620 and 650, it appears in good condition and if it is washed up in soapy water and dried it would work very well. The flocking seems to be in good shape but just a little dirty. Pioneerguy600

 

[blackoak]

I learned a lesson today. About two years ago a guy brought me in an old P25 saw to fix. He said he got it at a auction and it would not start. He got here and I pulled the starter rope and said there's the problem. It had no compression. Pioneers are far and few here and I have only seen a few. He ask if I could fix it. Yep I'm sure I can, but it may take awhile and could be expensive. He said he had 5.00 in it. I have several saws here for sale so he bought one and was happy. I pitched the P25 in the bone yard and forgot about it.

Flash forward two years. I got a call from an old boy who had been repairing saws for ever. He is 78 years old. He said he heard I worked on saws and wanted to know if I was interested in some old parts and parts saws. Well of course I said. He said he was done working on them because of health problems and I could HAVE all his parts saws and old used parts. I hit pay dirt, but that's another story. Anyway I found a piston and cylinder that was marked Pioneer P25 that was in all the old used parts. For some reason I remembered the old one in my bone yard. I was looking at the parts cylinder and noticed something. Whats this thing sticking out of the cylinder. Could it be a compression release. Yes , it could, but how is it activated. I got the old saw out and took the starter cover off and there it was. When you pull the rope it activates the compression release. Well to make a long story short I spent a little time restoring the old P25. A carb kit had it running like new. I stripped and repainted it and it turned out pretty good. I feel bad about the guy that I told the saw was was toast. I guess it pays to do a little checking on a saw before you open your mouth. By the way that is pretty good how Pioneer designed the Auto compression release, but I can't imagine a small saw like the P25 needing it. I took a picture of the saw and one of the "hidden"compression release on the cylinder. It feels good to resurrect a saw from the dead.