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[Tree Machine]

Definitely, welcome to the site, treevet!

 

[begleytree]

I'll second that, tree apes like to get advice from other tree apes:hmm3grin2orange:

Yeah, I'm getting to that point as well. too many good threads hijacked by guys who own 3 or 4 saws, but have a loud opinion on every saw made by every manufacturer and thousands of (useless) posts. good info? well anyone can look at an IPL or read the specs off a sales sheet.
the question is how does a guy with 3 or 4 saws know everything about all saws? the answer is they don't. when in-tree use becomes an issue, they are even farther out of the loop. I get the feeling they just like to see their name in type.
as far as general saw talk goes, the chainsaw forum has good info, and is always good for laughs and fun, but sometimes you really have to wonder about those guys.
there needs to be some line between asking about saws in general and asking about in-tree use of saws. there also needs to be some way of enforcing the rule that states if you don't own one, don't talk about it (because you don't know).
I would try to preface climbing saw questions with the word climbing, and maybe efforts can be taken to keep non-climbers off those type questions. there is, imo, no way the chainsaw forum is going to get split up into climbing and non-climbing sub-forums, so we are just going to have to come up with another way to get the info needed by tree men, from tree-men only. this site is, afterall, ARBORISTsite.
Just a few growing pains.
-Ralph

 

[Tree Machine]

Good points, Ralph. I would never give advice on climbing with an ms 200t, but would gladly extoll the virtues of a power-ported 346 XP with a titanium carving bar and low-profile Stihl picco chain.

I don't know much about the inner workings of a 346 or how to power port it, nor do I know much about the carving bar, and the picco chain I just put on yesterday for the first time.

But all those working together up in the top of a tree..... I can help with that. And only a climber can share the aerial issues as they relate to the saw in question.

Saw work on the ground and saw work up in the tree, although related, are different worlds altogether.

 

[beowulf343]

Why would you ask questions about a 200T of an arborist when there are Stihl techs online here that have torn down dozens or maybe even hundreds of 200T's? Doesn't make sense unless your question is how many pieces they break into when dropped from height.

Oh please, of the 3 local "stihl techs" i've been to, two of them had never done any work on a 200t (in fact one of them had to ask me what model the saw was), and the third one had only worked on two others. Not a common saw outside the climbing industry. Tree Machine summed up very well what i meant to say.

And only a climber can share the aerial issues as they relate to the saw in question.

 

[Bermie]

Oh please, of the 3 local "stihl techs" i've been to, two of them had never done any work on a 200t (in fact one of them had to ask me what model the saw was), and the third one had only worked on two others. Not a common saw outside the climbing industry. Tree Machine summed up very well what i meant to say.

In relation to the 'Stihl Techs' online in the chainsaw forum I beg to differ! Who or what you find in a shop or dealer I can't comment, well I can 'cause I wouldn't take my saws to the dealers shop here - ever.
There are a couple of guys there (Lakeside comes to mind) who are FULL of great information, details and recommendations, INCLUDING stuff to do with 020/200 t's. Not using them up in the trees, but helping to diagnose what's wrong when they start to 'bog', 'blurble' or plain pack it in! They've given me spot on advice and given me part numbers and sent IPL's. Don't be dismissive of the chainsaw forum for your climbing saw, it is a saw, it has an engine, those guys know their stuff. You'll soon figure out who is the real deal.

 

[treevet]

I don t see it as one or another being the real deal I think both perspectives are of great value. I know for fairly certain that Stihl solicited tree care companies to help design the 020. That is why we got the perfect aerial saw. The power to get through a huge limb quickly before the tip gets below the butt so it belly flops as opposed to the tip coming down first and the piece springing or kicking anywhere luck would have it. Perfect mid balance, see through gas tank. Unbreakable snap attachment point etc., etc.. Before that it wasthe 020, a hellava saw, the 015, the power mac (mccullough) 6, with a poulan getting some action in the middle somewhere. lThe tech mind designed and can repair them , and a tree guy can listen and learn from them however when we try to convey something to them they don t have a clue. My guy tried to sell me an echo cs 360 bcs it had similar displacement and some of 020t features. No clue!

 

[IATreeguy]

Posting topics in the correct forum

Ralph, and others,

I suggest that the current discussion of the up top saws be moved to something that might be called "Aerial & Climber Chain Saws". The world of the Stihl 020T and the subsequent MS200T not to forget the MS192T or the competition is a whole different world from the saws usually utilized at the lower altitudes. Consider the following:

For example I switched the bar on my new 192T last year to the same lightweight 14" bar that is standard on the MS200T. I use the lighter saw for most trimming where precision is a factor. The more powerful MS200T goes up in the aerial if the tree is a takedown. The near equal reach makes the saws virtually interchangeable but the lighter saw is slightly less fatiguing.

If the 192T is a little brother to the MS200T, why is the choke hid to the left and back of the handle rather than all in one as seen on the MS200T. If you agree, contact Stihl on their website as I have done on more than one occassioin (and received a response!).

My prior comments on the 192T previously posted have been totally lost in the vast expanse known as the Chain Saw thread. I have found much useful information in that thread. But the point made earlier here that the high altitude saws are different and deserve a separate thread is absolutely correct in my opinion. Thanks for considering this idea and thanks for the AS web site to share information with others in this great country of ours.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

I can see that this is from the winter ewhen they got bored. I tried that too a few years ago, and jut jumped all over.

Why'd you move my thread wha-wha-wha, Oh! I got the answer I needed over there.

When I've poseted saw Q's here I got ideas I'd already gone over. The saw freak forum usually answered them quickly.

I did have to wade through a dozen posts of tripe to get to the meat, but that's typical of this forum too.

I think of the ancient chinese phrase
Quee cho b'chen