Powerlines in the way for a crane pick---

[rbtree]

Technically, if any part of the tree is within 10 feet of the high voltage lines, you are not qualified to work on the tree, unless you are line clearance certified.

It's definitely not a routine job. While it may not be 100' tall x 60 wide, it looks at least 75x45......

Crane likely not an option, which leaves rigging it out. Certainly a bit more than Mr's Lovestrom or HoldenWood thought.

 

[ForTheArborist]

Technically, if any part of the tree is within 10 feet of the high voltage lines, you are not qualified to work on the tree, unless you are line clearance certified.

It's definitely not a routine job. While it may not be 100' tall x 60 wide, it looks at least 75x45......

Crane likely not an option, which leaves rigging it out. Certainly a bit more than Mr's Lovestrom or HoldenWood thought.

No, if you're standing between the two houses out here, you're looking up at a 100 footer. No more than though. It goes down there 30' no less.

Rigging down onto their roof is likely what will happen. I'm waiting to see.

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[mattfr12]

I haven't done that in years - it used to be free but I think they charge a good penny to do it now, around 300$ last I remember

its still free where we live. just takes them forever. we usually have it done a few times a year we just call them as soon as we get the job then do it as soon as they get them covered. has taken up to three months even with me pounding their phone.

 

[ForTheArborist]

They get mad if you don't insulate them first, don't they?

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[mattfr12]

No but if you don't its just added risk I pick over high tension wires atleast once a week all depends on how close I gotta get the boom to the wires. Some cranes have an offset jib that goes horizontal works really well for this. People might say its high risk but we also do it for the power company.

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[mattfr12]

The power company we work for bought us voltage testers for our trucks made by salsbury thier worth having will tell you if thier dead or alive and what kinda power you are dealing with. They clip on the end of a fiberglass pole.



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[ForTheArborist]

Makes sense.

It's probably difficult to find that style of crane. Likely they'd go extra high and lower more cable for tight proximity to compensate for the lack of the horizontal effect.

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[ForTheArborist]

The power company we work for bought us voltage testers for our trucks made by salsbury thier worth having will tell you if thier dead or alive and what kinda power you are dealing with. They clip on the end of a fiberglass pole.



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Oh. Well if they are playing ball with crane ops like that, I doubt any op I call is going to hesitate to take on anything like this.

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[beastmaster]

I think the trees look closer to the wires then they really are. Make sure the taller, longer limbs are rigged in such a way they can't go towards the wires. You can lay long pieces down on that roof if you hing them and have them pulled to the roof. They'll lay down nice slow and easy.
An alternative to using a vertical skid line on the bigger pieces is run two pulleys, one at the base of a tree, the other on a cow hitch up high below the piece you want to catch, then run the rope through the pulleys and tie the rope to the opposite tree with a running bowline with a bite beneath the piece on that trunk you want to catch. Now do a drop and catch but use a sling or a rope with a loop and attach one end to the piece your going to catch, the other with a clavis or steel biner to the rope. Cut and catch, then as slack is put in the rope the piece will come down slow between the two trunks in the middle. Slide the pulley and bowline down in each tree and repete tell the trees are down low. Takes two climbers but goes fast.
The rope between the trees don't have to be horizontal to work so you can take a few piece from a side before having to do the other. You could do the whole tree like that if you had to, cutting and hanging branches using slings (several at a time)then slowly lowering them.
I work a lot cheaper then renting a crane and have a lot of tricks up my sleeve. Be the best 300.00 you've ever spent. Just putting it out there FTA. Time is money, get ur done.
A work of caution, them kind of euc's are really slippery and will slide out of a loop or knot if not really tight.

 

[tree MDS]

No but if you don't its just added risk I pick over high tension wires atleast once a week all depends on how close I gotta get the boom to the wires. Some cranes have an offset jib that goes horizontal works really well for this. People might say its high risk but we also do it for the power company.

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Yeah, that's the crane I would've been buying in the first place, if I was gonna be spending anywhere near that kinda dough..

 

[mattfr12]

Oh. Well if they are playing ball with crane ops like that, I doubt any op I call is going to hesitate to take on anything like this.

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I've never had a problem as long as they don't have to break the 10 foot rule. crane operators deal with high tension all the time not with just lifting trees. its not that uncommon for them. If it is where are they lifting stuff at only in farm country?
as the others have said make sure it can't swing into the wires but truthfully a good crane operator should know this and be able to keep it from happening if its rigged right. the worse case scenario would be a top rolling over that would be the #1 way for you to run into the wires. easy way to keep the butt from swinging out is with a short rope on the butt and take a couple wraps on the stub your cutting to control how fast it swings out if its gonna swing out. they shouldn't be swinging around to much if your getting enough movement out of it to run into the wires its time to add a spider leg or two. you can have an unlimited supply of them just cut 10-20 foot pieces of rope and tie a bowline in it and throw it on the hook. then you got yourself some home made spider legs.

 

[ForTheArborist]

Yeah, that's the crane I would've been buying in the first place, if I was gonna be spending anywhere near that kinda dough..

You're not kidding, are you?

You'd have to sell it in 10 years anyway. You wouldn't be able to get the equation right, there stud.

income > total payments + resale

Can you pull that one off?

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[mattfr12]

You're not kidding, are you?

You'd have to sell it in 10 years anyway. You wouldn't be able to get the equation right, there stud.

income > total payments + resale

Can you pull that one off?

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good thing number 2 arrives in less than 60 days getting done ahead of schedule 80 foot with 40 foot of fly jib that can +10 degrees. will post picks as soon as she's done.

 

[tree MDS]

You're not kidding, are you?

You'd have to sell it in 10 years anyway. You wouldn't be able to get the equation right, there stud.

income > total payments + resale

Can you pull that one off?

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I am not in the market for a crane at this time. Now run along little girl, your Barbies are calling!

 

[ForTheArborist]

I've never had a problem as long as they don't have to break the 10 foot rule. crane operators deal with high tension all the time not with just lifting trees. its not that uncommon for them. If it is where are they lifting stuff at only in farm country?
as the others have said make sure it can't swing into the wires but truthfully a good crane operator should know this and be able to keep it from happening if its rigged right. the worse case scenario would be a top rolling over that would be the #1 way for you to run into the wires. easy way to keep the butt from swinging out is with a short rope on the butt and take a couple wraps on the stub your cutting to control how fast it swings out if its gonna swing out. they shouldn't be swinging around to much if your getting enough movement out of it to run into the wires its time to add a spider leg or two. you can have an unlimited supply of them just cut 10-20 foot pieces of rope and tie a bowline in it and throw it on the hook. then you got yourself some home made spider legs.

+2 or 3

You know your stuff I have to say. I'm there with you on each improvisation. Improv is my thing too.

Thing is spider legs and or the butt rigging technique to control swing is 100% necessary because of the close proxy to the houses in the first place. I would be wrecked if anything can make too much movement on this site. All light stuff too just because of the extensions and the lightweight crane for cost effectiveness.



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[ForTheArborist]

I am not in the market for a crane at this time. Now run along little girl, your Barbies are calling!

Ya, all night. Ring ring. :msp_thumbsup:

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[ForTheArborist]

good thing number 2 arrives in less than 60 days getting done ahead of schedule 80 foot with 40 foot of fly jib that can +10 degrees. will post picks as soon as she's done.

I guess that new rig just has the right balance. I assume the truck in the pics is going to be the biggest one around that handles 10°

40' fly jib.....that alone is a big deal. I suppose that fits in the dump box or trailer?

Fly jib is the one with the support cables, right?

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[beastmaster]

One of the Company's I work for has a K-boom. We use it a lot, but of course it has limitation. I think it would be able to snake under the power lines for all but the very top of the first Euc. I do picks over and next to HV enough not to like it. Bad thing about renting a crane is you may not be familiar with the Operator or he tree work. Also do you FTA or your climber have experience working with a crane? Lifting next to and over powerlines isn't the place to get experence at it.
Its not the crown that I would be concerned with. Their higher then the wires already, rigged right and it would go easy(Unless it flipped like Matt stated) It that long winch up from down slope I don't like. A good operator in the crane and a good man in the tree to rig shouldn't be much of a problem, but I question the cost compared to rigging it down. Those lemon eucs are mostly trunk. The crown is just a few skinny branches relatively speaking(compared to a blue gum)
The first tree I bet is at lest 15ft away from those wires. You would really have to screw up to hit them. I agree with jeff, with a good crew start at 8 be done by 2. I am slow and carefull, might take me a most the day if I was the only climber. That Crane with traval time, set up time Those long slow lifts from down slope, is'nt going to be off the clock tell afternoon sometime$$$$$.
On the flip side, I wouldn't want to lug those rounds up that hill. So go buy a electric winch from harbor frieght for 200.00
The owner of that Kboom and I always argue whether we need a crane or not. I want to rig and he wants to play with his crane. He is right most the time.
No matter what you decide be safe. Beastmaster
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[lxt]

Ohh hell............you call this guy from Philly, he`ll come there with saw & skidsteer, put a rope in er & a special cut............BAM, extreme precision felling.............nuff said!


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[lxt]

The power company we work for bought us voltage testers for our trucks made by salsbury thier worth having will tell you if thier dead or alive and what kinda power you are dealing with. They clip on the end of a fiberglass pole.



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Im really curious about what power company you work for? cause I know all the Vegetation management people @ Duquesne & Penn Power............ they dont give out voltage testers!!! & if you`re not on their SAP vendor list you`re not working anywhere near their lines & even if you are on that list, if you`re not contracted by them.......best you will get is a "Safety Trim", You will also need LCTT cert on both Duquesne & Penn Power/First Energy property!!! Ive worked for both most of my career & have never seen a tree crew issued such by the utility & would question that....!

Voltage meter does not read a 3 phase hot line either.....how are you using this meter cause all the ones Ive seen need ground clipped to the nuetral & I know you`re not doing that? if you truly were giving such (I doubt it) the person issuing such would be in violation of certain Nerc & Ferc laws by allowing a Non Certified "Lineman" to conduct voltage testing.....big no no!!!!



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