Problematic MS661

[dall]

ok question what was the reason they didnt bring the 661 out when they was first introduced? i cant remember now anything new will have bugs in them and will have to be worked out

 

[dall]

It might prove whose saw is really best. Especially if the saws were run head to head in something besides cookie cutting.
It might put an end to false claims, obviously staged test videos, and the ongoing childish bickering that we're all tired of.

like i suggested put the saws in the hands of loggers who will put them through their paces and see whos saw has the longevity and will also show what the weaknesses are and maybe point out what can be done to improve on the product your making a living doing

 

[blsnelling]

It might prove whose saw is really best. Especially if the saws were run head to head in something besides cookie cutting.
It might put an end to false claims, obviously staged test videos, and the ongoing childish bickering that we're all tired of.

Would it? Suppose for a moment that I won, without question and without doubt. What would that do to help this situation? I propose to you that it would only fuel the fire.

 

[blsnelling]

ok question what was the reason they didnt bring the 661 out when they was first introduced? i cant remember now anything new will have bugs in them and will have to be worked out

That was a topend issue from what I understand.

 

[dall]

not being able to withstand the pressures or lack of quality in the part ?

 

[blsnelling]

not being able to withstand the pressures or lack of quality in the part ?

I really don't know. Stihl never even as much as admitted it was a recall, even though we know better.

 

[dall]

well i think there is enough knowledge here at this site and the ones who left here to figuire out what was the problem and figuire a way to fix that problem but it would have to be a combined effort or it would be all for nothing

 

[Gologit]

Would it? Suppose for a moment that I won, without question and without doubt. What would that do to help this situation? I propose to you that it would only fuel the fire.

And if you didn't win? Would you look to shift blame or claim that you were cheated?
I can guarantee you this...if I'm doing the testing it will be honest and the results will be presented as they really are.
I'm not really all that anxious to get involved in this but if it helps seperate the truly skillful from the merely wishful and produces a resultant decline in all the juvenile bickering I'll give it a try. Believe me, my feelings wouldn't be hurt if you picked somebody else.
There are several other guys on here that could give the saws as good a test as I could and I'm sure they'd be just as honest. My choices would be 2dogs, northmanlogging, Bob Bitzer and treeslayer 2003.
Time to step up. Time to let your saws do the talking.

 

[blsnelling]

well i think there is enough knowledge here at this site and the ones who left here to figuire out what was the problem and figuire a way to fix that problem but it would have to be a combined effort or it would be all for nothing

Maybe, maybe not. Is that to say we have more knowledge than Stihl themselves? I agree, we need to work together. However, I believe that's a completely different issue than possible issues with the 661.

 

[blsnelling]

And if you didn't win? Would you look to shift blame or claim that you were cheated?
I can guarantee you this...if I'm doing the testing it will be honest and the results will be presented as they really are.
I'm not really all that anxious to get involved in this but if it helps seperate the truly skillful from the merely wishful and produces a resultant decline in all the juvenile bickering I'll give it a try. Believe me, my feelings wouldn't be hirt if you picked somebody else.
There are several other guys on here that could give the saws as good a test as I could and I'm sure they'd be just as honest. My choices would be 2dogs, northmanlogging, Bob Bitzer and treeslayer 2003.
Time to step up. Time to let your saws do the talking.

I'm simply telling you that the problem has little to nothing to do with whose saw is faster/stronger.

 

[Gologit]

I'm simply telling you that the problem has little to nothing to do with whose saw is faster/stronger.

Fine. Good luck to you.

 

[blsnelling]

And if you didn't win? Would you look to shift blame or claim that you were cheated?
I can guarantee you this...if I'm doing the testing it will be honest and the results will be presented as they really are.
I'm not really all that anxious to get involved in this but if it helps seperate the truly skillful from the merely wishful and produces a resultant decline in all the juvenile bickering I'll give it a try. Believe me, my feelings wouldn't be hurt if you picked somebody else.
There are several other guys on here that could give the saws as good a test as I could and I'm sure they'd be just as honest. My choices would be 2dogs, northmanlogging, Bob Bitzer and treeslayer 2003.
Time to step up. Time to let your saws do the talking.

I would be more than happy to have one of my saws in that environment and be vetted out. However, I am not financially prepared to provide the saw. I would donate the mods for such an endeavor though.

 

[stihl sawing]

I could care less who's is faster, what I'd like to see is which one holds up the longest. People that use a saw for a living cares more about that than it being fast. One might be three times faster than the others, but if it don't last a month then it's not worth it.

 

[dall]

i agree with stihl sawing

 

[blsnelling]

I could care less who's is faster, what I'd like to see is which one holds up the longest. People that use a saw for a living cares more about that than it being fast. One might be three times faster than the others, but if it don't last a month then it's not worth it.

Do you see ported saws failing on a regular basis? I have only seen a single handful of my saws returned for failures, and some of those are used daily in a professional environment. Every one of those saws has been repaired and returned to service. Sure, the additional validation this would give would be great, but I haven't seen it to be a problem.

 

[blsnelling]

i agree with stihl sawing

Then why have we been talking about a build off?

 

[dall]

Then why have we been talking about a build off?

like i suggested put the saws in the hands of loggers who will put them through their paces and see whos saw has the longevity and will also show what the weaknesses are and maybe point out what can be done to improve on the product your making a living doing

 

[blsnelling]

Fair enough.

 

[dall]

not really talking a build off but comparison to improve the product you are selling and trying to make a living with i could care less whos saw is faster the longevity is where it matters

 

[blsnelling]

I'll tell you what I will do. I will sell my saw, at cost, no charge for mods, to a proven reputable logger such as Gologit or those he recommends. That I can afford to do. It's ready to go right now, other than a bit of cleaning I would do before shipping.