If I paint for a client, I let them know it is only cosmetic!
Jeff Lovstrom
Jeff Lovstrom
Of course, a competent arborist would have advised against large cuts on a mature tree. If they needed to be made, proper pruning cuts are the way to go.TreeTopKid said:Firstly I must say that it wasn't I or the company that I was working for that made the cuts or applied the dressing to the beautiful tree that'did' suffer an untimely death as result of moisture getting in between the A****x and the top of the cuts which caused rot to set into three major limbs.The tree would almost certainly be alive today had the client chosen a more competent company.
Here we are getting into language I'm not comfortable with. "healed over", "wounds ability to heal" both suggest a process that trees don't do.TreeTopKid said:These wounds were of a size that would have healed over completely had Target Pruning techniques been observed. It's sad to say that some "Arborists" have not even heard of Target Pruning which has far more bearing on a wounds ability to heal than wound dressing. I know it's impossible to be 100 percent accurate every time because every mm is crucial, but too many companies rush their employees.
Experience is a funny thing. I know many experienced arborists that spike on trims, to get up and top them out.TreeTopKid said:As for my 'cause and effect logic' being flawed, I was merely an employee of the company at the time which was 23 years ago. It was the opinion of three other Arborists, one from the local authority, one from the clients who are custodians of thousands of acres of English estates, & heritage, and the consultant at the company I was working for. I suppose their 'cause and effect logic' could be flawed but I doubt it as they have been looking after hundreds of thousands of some of the oldest trees in the UK for over a hundred years now so I guess you could say that they are experienced.
If you want to disect my post, feel free. I hope you do, and I learn something. Otherwise my time here is wasted.TreeTopKid said:You will notice I haven't elected to dissect your opinion because you are entitled to it as I am also entitled to mine. Your "World of trees" Sire is not everybodies 'World of trees'It would be nice if you could bear that in mind when replying to posts.
.................Mike Maas said:Of course, a competent arborist would have advised against large cuts on a mature tree. If they needed to be made, proper pruning cuts are the way to go.
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****The cuts weren't large just Flush and I already said the company was incompetent. NOT OUR COMPANY WE DIDN"T GET THE JOB if you read the post properly you may have noticed.****
Here we are getting into language I'm not comfortable with. "healed over", "wounds ability to heal" both suggest a process that trees don't do.
They abandon the wood that is injured and build "walls" around it. A process called CODIT. The tree doesn't care if you paint the abandoned wood, leave it alone, do a happy dance around it, or squirt it with a solution of warm water and wood decay fungi 3 times a day! The wood is abandoned by the tree, and walled off!
Experience is a funny thing. I know many experienced arborists that spike on trims, to get up and top them out.
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****We all learned about CODIT at college, and I might have guessed you'd know someone who'd spike up a healthy tree.****
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If you want to disect my post, feel free. I hope you do, and I learn something. Otherwise my time here is wasted.
I don't know if your in TX yet, but if you are, I hope you investigate modern thinking on wound treatments, before you start working on all those Oak Wilted trees there.
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****I didn't really want to disect your post but you insisted, and I've yet to learn anything. The modern wound treatment you speak about is far from new what were the others? Yes I've been in Texas for seven months (that's you're BTW) I have a fantastic job with a fantastic salary, and we've not had a single case of Oak Wilt on any of our 7000 Live Oaks.****
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There are a lot of reasons a wound will decay and become a health problem for a tree. Presence or absence of wound dressing is not even close to the top of the list. Niether is your target prunning within mms.
No, I don't think how you make a cut is a big deal. There are a lot more important considerations.TreeTopKid said:If you're saying the way that you make a pruning cut does not affect the way it heals then it is you that is misguided.
Mike Maas said:No, I don't think how you make a cut is a big deal. There are a lot more important considerations.
What would you say is a worse case scenario, cutting off a 2" diameter branch on a 10" inch diameter, healthy, fast growing tree, while leaving a 1 foot stub and accidentally hitting the trunk with the saw, or doing a proper pruning cut, exactly on target, to a 2 foot diameter branch, on an over mature, slow growing tree, growing in compacted soil with construction damaged roots, during a drought?
It's great you think how you make your cuts is important, and to some extent it is, but you need to look at the bigger picture. Why are you making the cut? Can it be avoided? Can the removal be done in increments over several years? What can be done to improve the health of the tree before the cutting.
When you really get down to it, the actual cut is almost inconsequential.
I might argue that how you make a cut is as important as whether or not you use wound dressing, in some cases. Failure to use paint, could kill the tree outright.
By the way, what's a pram?
Mike Maas said:Your percentages are deceiving. Insect vectors are probably responsible for closer to 95% of new infection centers, maybe more.
That's the reason you need to be so cautious, once you spread Oak Wilt to a tree, you've condemned every Oak, within an unbroken root graft connection, to death.
What your statistic says, is once a single Oak gets Wilt, an average of 9.5 trees die from vascular spread. It says nothing about the chances of a tree getting Wilt do to injury.
jefflovstrom said:It is still cosmetic, Dang!- Where were you guys with the stuff hundreds of years ago? Sorry, sarcastic, but it is dressing and not needed.
Jeff Lovstrom
I'm asking about my oak tree that has a split trunk from storm damage.if done properly, no paint. I paint grafts to prevent sun scald View attachment 1176545
"Pram" is Brit-speak for baby carriageNo, I don't think how you make a cut is a big deal. There are a lot more important considerations.
What would you say is a worse case scenario, cutting off a 2" diameter branch on a 10" inch diameter, healthy, fast growing tree, while leaving a 1 foot stub and accidentally hitting the trunk with the saw, or doing a proper pruning cut, exactly on target, to a 2 foot diameter branch, on an over mature, slow growing tree, growing in compacted soil with construction damaged roots, during a drought?
It's great you think how you make your cuts is important, and to some extent it is, but you need to look at the bigger picture. Why are you making the cut? Can it be avoided? Can the removal be done in increments over several years? What can be done to improve the health of the tree before the cutting.
When you really get down to it, the actual cut is almost inconsequential.
I might argue that how you make a cut is as important as whether or not you use wound dressing, in some cases. Failure to use paint, could kill the tree outright.
By the way, what's a pram?
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