PS-5100 is it as good as an 361?
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SawTroll
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Like I said Cut, I trust independant test results from DLG/KWF a lot more than you.........
Like I said, I trust independant test results from DLG/KWF a lot more than you.........
Sooooo. Except the truth. LOL.Proof is in the Pic and the USERS HANDS, not in the book.
I am done proving beyond a doubt you were once wrong again with your biased book specs. NUFF SAID, I am done, As porky pig would say, thats all folks! proof is there.
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SawTroll
Information Collector
Sooooo. Except the truth. LOL.
Proof is in the Pic and the USERS HANDS, not in the book.
I am done proving beyond a doubt you were once wrong again with your biased book specs. NUFF SAID, I am done, As porky pig would say, thats all folks! proof is there.
Ignore on its way, again.....
...no-one "owns" the truth.....
...but you just don't get it......
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Please ignore me and then you will be right with your book specs and not have real homeowner users to tell you the truth.
I get it, I OWN the saw in question, YOU?
So what did yours weigh again?
Troll you are just like a old wife, always having the last word. I AM DONE, nuff said. I have the saw in hand you DON'T!
I get it, I OWN the saw in question, YOU?
So what did yours weigh again?
Troll you are just like a old wife, always having the last word. I AM DONE, nuff said. I have the saw in hand you DON'T!
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SawTroll
Information Collector
....and very few admires "hang-arounds"........:jester:
windthrown
361 Junkie
There are semi-professional users here too
You make saying "...aren't using a saw to make a living" is couterintuitive here. Many of us are not pro sawyers cutting all day long. But we are not weekend warrior homeowners running around getting our jollies limbing a few times a year either. A lot of us do make a livelyhood using our chainsaws. Case in point, me, who manages a 105 acre farm/forest with 80 acres of trees on it. We heat this house exclusively with firewood here, so for us wood is money. We also tend the forest here. Lots and lots of chainsaw work required, and may different applications requiring different classes of saws. This is not a weekend recreation thing here. We need and use saws that can start and cut and cut and cut on demand all day long.
So I would make a distinction that there are a lot of people here between the occasional users and the professional heavyweight users (ie., Ralph). I do not need a 440-460 class saw, or a 200TH either. It is amusing to read about them and test them at the saw shops though. I may have a larger need someday. What I tend to want and need here now are a good all-around mid-range light saw with a 20-24 in bar (361), a backup with a 20 inch bar (290), and a couple lightweight saws with 14-18 inch bars (shopping for now) for fencing, limbing and the size the girlfriend can manage (170/180, 401, 5100, etc). And a handy TH saw (CS-3000) for work in the trees and orchards. Then there are the barn shop saws, like the Olympyk and the big ol' Mac. Door stop saws.
You make saying "...aren't using a saw to make a living" is couterintuitive here. Many of us are not pro sawyers cutting all day long. But we are not weekend warrior homeowners running around getting our jollies limbing a few times a year either. A lot of us do make a livelyhood using our chainsaws. Case in point, me, who manages a 105 acre farm/forest with 80 acres of trees on it. We heat this house exclusively with firewood here, so for us wood is money. We also tend the forest here. Lots and lots of chainsaw work required, and may different applications requiring different classes of saws. This is not a weekend recreation thing here. We need and use saws that can start and cut and cut and cut on demand all day long.
So I would make a distinction that there are a lot of people here between the occasional users and the professional heavyweight users (ie., Ralph). I do not need a 440-460 class saw, or a 200TH either. It is amusing to read about them and test them at the saw shops though. I may have a larger need someday. What I tend to want and need here now are a good all-around mid-range light saw with a 20-24 in bar (361), a backup with a 20 inch bar (290), and a couple lightweight saws with 14-18 inch bars (shopping for now) for fencing, limbing and the size the girlfriend can manage (170/180, 401, 5100, etc). And a handy TH saw (CS-3000) for work in the trees and orchards. Then there are the barn shop saws, like the Olympyk and the big ol' Mac. Door stop saws.
begleytree
H. sapiens moderatus
I wonder who they are? I get a few PMs everyday about your [spec] posts in every thread, and the dislike thereof. Overall it would seem that most members would like for you to stick to posts about the 353, 361 and the 372, as you actually own these models, and leave your info out of the thousands of other posts about saws that you don't own.
everyone who Pms me speaks of the rule that says: "if you don't own it and have used it extensively, you are not permitted to give opinions about it at arboristsite." and the "outcry" gets a little louder everyday.
no one can know everything about every saw made, past and present. imo, that is what bothers most members. for example, I do not own a jonsered, and only one husky. you do not see me personally on threads discussing those saws. I get the idea that most guys wish you would be as considerate. Look at lakeside and thall; you don't see them talking about saws other than those they know (stihl and a few they might own) imo, this helps bolster the opinion members have about them. they know what they know, and don't BS when they don't.
All I am asking you Mr Troll, is to see other's view of this. Perhaps we can meet somewhere around the middle?
-Ralph
BTW Mr Troll, I personally don't care what you post as long as it doesn't break the rules and cause me more work here than I already do
windthrown
361 Junkie
Shooting blanks...
Yah, same here. Blanks. But I am not offended by any of Troll's posts. Actually, I like them. I like hearing opinions about chainsaws. Good, bad, simple, complex. Seasoned vet opinions are good, but I also what to know what someone thinks of that first time they rev up the MS361, 5100s or turbo-jet propulsion fully asperated Poulon Wildthing hotsaw. Facts are one thing. Truth is a philosophical debate. :hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange:
Tried to rep that! but shooting blanks again for you.
Yah, same here. Blanks. But I am not offended by any of Troll's posts. Actually, I like them. I like hearing opinions about chainsaws. Good, bad, simple, complex. Seasoned vet opinions are good, but I also what to know what someone thinks of that first time they rev up the MS361, 5100s or turbo-jet propulsion fully asperated Poulon Wildthing hotsaw. Facts are one thing. Truth is a philosophical debate. :hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange:
SawTroll
Information Collector
Well, I get a lot of support by pms for what I am posting and doing.
The point you (and some others) seem to have lost, is that the info I post is usually not from any spec sheet, unless someone ask explicitly for that, but aggregated info from several sources.....
..but I take your point anyway - some people just want "hands-on" info, which sorry to say often is based on one set of cutting attachment, in one size and type of wood, unless it is just an opinion.
I firmly believe that dyno tests is a better way to determine the saws capasity, and then it is up to the user to find the right attachment for his/her wood....
As I said in an earlier post, empty powerhead weight is one thing, but the "ready to cut" weights is another story, as tank capasities vary, and so do the weight of cutting attachments........
begleytree
H. sapiens moderatus
windthrown, I don't think Mr Troll offends anyone, and didn't mean to say that if I did. perhaps a disclaimer on the posts about saws he doesn't own that reads somethng like " I have no time running this saw, but here are published specs for your convience" but they dont come across like that. sometimes there are more forcefull...
I tried to be very non confrontational in that post, as I don not want to run anyone off, but to merely convey a message with no hidden intent.
-Ralph
I tried to be very non confrontational in that post, as I don not want to run anyone off, but to merely convey a message with no hidden intent.
-Ralph
Good post Windthrown, I like specs too, If something is there that I like. Then I try and get the saw and RUN it for testing and see how it feels and cuts for awhile. Then I have first hands on experience. Not just the book says this, book is a guide line. You have to read between the line sometimes in life.:biggrinbounce2:
I just know what my Dolmar weighs first hand, not what someone says it MUST weigh 3k away.:hmm3grin2orange:
I even plan on owning a 361 someday, now that i ran a stock one, i can only wait to run a modded one. That will tell me what I want to know and then the deal will be or not to be.
Cut safe ALL
I just know what my Dolmar weighs first hand, not what someone says it MUST weigh 3k away.:hmm3grin2orange:
I even plan on owning a 361 someday, now that i ran a stock one, i can only wait to run a modded one. That will tell me what I want to know and then the deal will be or not to be.
Cut safe ALL
begleytree
H. sapiens moderatus
then why can you not use the sources you have here at your disposal, instead of some website that may/may not have other motives? cut (I know you don't like him) gave you a pic of a saw and a scale. why do you automatically assume he is wrong? he is the one who owns the saw, not you.
and your one type of wood idea is incorrect. most of us live in a specific region with a specific group of tree species. what I may say about a saw here in the eastern decidious hardwoods forest may not equate to what someone in the coastal evergreen forest knows. but some dynamometer doesn't know anything about it at all. thats usually why most saws are discussed as a package, ie saw and bar and chain combo and types of wood.
-Ralph
Rydaddy
ArboristSite Operative
Troll
I am by no means a "veteran" of this site, or a professional woodcutter, lumberjack or.... etc. I don't make a lot of posts, mainly because I don' t have the knowledge to offer anything of great value that often. I see posts from the "troll" in a lot of threads and it sure seems that he manages to help a large number of members here out with information that these particular members weren't able to find on the their own. A majority of what he states I too have already found on my own and am aware of, he is kind enough to take the time and energy to give that info out....
Lay off the Trolls :deadhorse:
I am by no means a "veteran" of this site, or a professional woodcutter, lumberjack or.... etc. I don't make a lot of posts, mainly because I don' t have the knowledge to offer anything of great value that often. I see posts from the "troll" in a lot of threads and it sure seems that he manages to help a large number of members here out with information that these particular members weren't able to find on the their own. A majority of what he states I too have already found on my own and am aware of, he is kind enough to take the time and energy to give that info out....
Lay off the Trolls :deadhorse:
begleytree
H. sapiens moderatus
no one is picking on the troll. only a conversation. remember getting jumped for my posts earlier this week. everyone who posts on a public forum is subject to public review.......
-Ralph
Rydaddy
ArboristSite Operative
Man if you are at Big Dave's gtg. I want to try some of your saws out.
346xp NWCS
5100s (DN)
359 (DN)(if I could only have one saw)[/i]
MS361 (WHS)
372xp (DN)
7900 (DN)
And you could try these.
Stock 5000+
5000+ EC
357 DN
7900 EC
066 EC
084 BC
Troll your info is not that bad for quick reference. Plus it gives some people something to argue about.
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