rappelling

[Canyonbc]

Your boots and gloves when you are fast roping. Not much control at all but you really don't want to hang around at all. When you go off on a single rope you use an eight.
Jared

How far are normally dropping out of a helicoptor?

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

~50-100 ft depending on the unit training.

They do it with a full combat load too

picture a 60mm rope, like a fire pole, that you hug for your life as you step out of the helo'.

 

[Chinooker]

I need to call you on that. What is an ATC pro?

ATC Guide - your are correct sorry for the confusion. Thanks for the correction.

 

[Canyonbc]

~50-100 ft depending on the unit training.

They do it with a full combat load too

picture a 60mm rope, like a fire pole, that you hug for your life as you step out of the helo'.

Whew..!!!

Crazy..that would be one heck of a ride...but i would imagine your adreline would be pumping so fast/hard that it wouldnt phase you

 

[Magnum783]

Whew..!!!

Crazy..that would be one heck of a ride...but i would imagine your adreline would be pumping so fast/hard that it wouldnt phase you

All I thought of is those bullets sound real and I don't think I can run while I am hanging on this rope lets get to the ground fast.
Jared

 

[Canyonbc]

Wow...

Ya i think i would be right there with ya...definetly not going to get out of harms way hanging from a rope...

DO you still do it?

 

[Magnum783]

Wow...

Ya i think i would be right there with ya...definetly not going to get out of harms way hanging from a rope...

DO you still do it?

OH yeah, not stateside too much but ocationally when I am overseas.
Jared

 

[Canyonbc]

Whew...

Thats awesome...best of luck...and be safe.

 

[OLD CHIPMONK]

Rapelled off a barstool once & quit; a long time ago !!!!!

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

OH yeah, not stateside too much but ocationally when I am overseas.
Jared

Do you SPIE rig in your unit??

How about the RECONDO Swiss ladder up to the Helo skid for extraction

Most of my 8.5 years in the USMC was peacetime, so the sound of an FPF in the distace from a trainign range was like a lullaby. the M-16 bursts with the rip of a SAW, then the slower M-60's with the "em-duce" thud duhd duhd duhd acting as the base-line.

 

[Tree Machine]

I can't remember the movie, but the bad dudes were perched above a cliff-lined highway. One of the bad dudes, in a car, would create an accident. Then the bad dudes from up above would come flying down the steep grade, running, face-first down the hill-cliff to do what bad dudes do. Each bad dude had a thin rope and a friction piece.

And this made me wonder, what do the good dudes use?

U.S Marine Corp, special ops, S.W.A.T. (and others).

Here are the most highly specialized, highly trained professionals on the planet. With the limitless funding to properly gear and outfit their troops with the most technologically advanced equipment that man can create, please John Paul Sanborn, please don't tell me the standard issue friction hardware is a figure 8.....

 

[Tree Machine]

Chinooker's piece:

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

please John Paul Sanborn, please don't tell me the standard issue friction hardware is a figure 8.....

I've been out of that loop since the early 90's, we had carabiners then.

The method of descent on the talus/scree you saw is called Australian rappel. I remember the movie too, it was South american narco terrorists doing a ransom kidnapping.

That is what it was designed for, one hand for break, one hand for your rifle. Many thrill seekers use it for a vertical rapp, I cannot see the reasoning

 

[Magnum783]

JPS I am not sure what you meant SPIE I am in the AF so our terming is a little different I know what you mean about the guns. I am a big fan of the "ma duece" To answer the other question yes we do you eights sometime but other just something kinda like a munter on a carabiner.
Jared

 

[Tree Machine]

The method of descent on the talus/scree you saw is called Australian rappel. I remember the movie too, it was South american narco terrorists doing a ransom kidnapping.

That was the one ! The clip shat showed them doing this was only like 3/4 of a second long. That scene stuck with me, probably because I replayed it a few times. I couldn't see what was being used, except that they were not just using their hand.

SO, we have an unknown device used by narco-terrorists who kidnap a dude they think works for big oil, but really doesn't, and big oil says "This is not our guy, sorry." and the really, really hot wife wants her hubby back so she hires a private hostage negotiator, who apparently she thinks is pretty hot, and throws down, but the problem is kidnap-dude has been taken to the deep mountains of the Colombian jungle so they just don't know where he is. And we have the entire US Armed forces rapping on 8's and biners.

Doesn't seem like much evolution since the manila rope era.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

SO, we have an unknown device used by narco-terrorists who kidnap a dude they

Could be a modern belay device, but it works with a munter just as well from my experience.

The elite units have huge black budgets, they can buy stuff and play with it to see how it works. But when it comes down to it, they want multi-purpose and light weight. If you have to hump it in with a full combat load....

 

[2FatGuys]

"Back in the day", when I was doing a lot of rock climbing and teaching climbing and rappelling, we did some of the Australian rappelling so we could watch the student descend as we descended above them on another rope. It's actually pretty simple. It can be done with several different devices, hung from a rear loop or rigged equally between two side loops toward the back. We usually used a pair of non-locking carabiners with "brake bars" on them (similar to the Petzl Rack sold now). Sometimes, we would "lose rig" an 8 off the side so that we could turn in mid descent from "normal" to face down. You can see an example of a rear loop rigging on Wikipedia by looking up "Abseiling". It is NOT the safest way down since your back is to the rope and you can't visually see what your equipment is doing, but it does have purposes other than good guy / bad guy shoot-em-ups.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

but it does have purposes other than good guy / bad guy shoot-em-ups.

BASE jumping w/o a parachute....

 

[2FatGuys]

I think the image on Wiki is from a movie I saw once on YouTube showing the guy walking down the face of a dam. It can be a very controlled descent.

 

[Tree Machine]

BASE jumping w/o a parachute....

:angry2: TROLL!