Rayco 1625 Super JR repower

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SemperFiSawguy

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After nothing but problems from the anemic and unreliable 25hp kholer on my rayco. I have opted to repower the unit with a kholer 2014 CH750-3009 30hp engine i got for a song on marketplace. I will add pictures and detail this thread for others looking for similar information as well as its performance. I am hoping the slightly larger hp numbers will aid in maintaining RPMs in the cut with the 700 series greenteeth i have on the machine.
 

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Completed the prep and install of my new engine today. The engine mount bolts are 3/8s 12 point. All of the components were plug and play!! Very excited to take this out and give it a try on a big cottonwood stump. Going from 725 to 747CC and 25 to 30 hp should garnish at a minimum some more efficiency! Has anyone else done a similar swap?
 

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I used to work at a saw shop/rental house that had a small fleet of stump grinders. Three of which were Rayco 1625s like yours. Had 5 or 6 others which were Carlton 2400/2500-4 models.

I rebuilt many of those Kohlers. FIRST order of business with those CH25 engines is ditch that tiny air filter. Your repower solved that. If you play your cards right with the original nikasil CH25 blocks (haven't been made since like 2002-ish when they switched to cast iron liners), you could get two or three rebuilds out of them. Used to scrounge every nikasil block I could find. I kept a couple "ready spares" on hand to swap out if needed. One particular engine had well over 4000 hours on it. Stump grinders are VERY hard on engines, and if I got 1500 hours out of a CH25 before a rebuild I was happy. I used LF134 (much taller than the 52-050-02) oil filters on them to increase the oil capacity as well as filtration capacity and it did appear to make a difference in the service life of the engine.

A couple things I would do during the rebuild...
Mill the heads down to increase compression. (we only used 93 octane fuel)
Minor port work. Just get rid of the sharp edges and casting flaws. Intake would get the same treatment.
Gasket match intake to head.
Camshaft from the CH745 (27hp) engine. This was literally the only difference between the 25hp and 27hp. The camshaft. That's it.

Happy side effect to the minor modifications in addition to much improved performance was a surprising increase in fuel economy. So much that our regular customers noticed it.

So the end result was similar to what you *should* experience with that CH750. That said, those greenteeth take a bigger bite and seemed to require more power to run than the square shank teeth. We tried them on one of the RG1625's, but switched back due to the added expense of the greenteeth. We did run them on the SuperRG66 though. That thing was a monster.

Not quite relevant to your case, but the Carlton 2400-4 grinders came with an Onan Performer 24 opposed twin flathead. They ended up being re-powered with those hopped up CH25s as well. Customers would over-tighten the drive belt and it would break the crankshaft on the Onans. Onan is an absolutely fantastic engine, but does not tolerate extreme side-loading of the PTO shaft.
 
Do you have any reccomendations for the jackshaft, cutter head bearings? Im also having trouble setting the right belt tension it seems. The owners manual reccomendations are slightly confusing to me and there are no videos on youtube to use as reference! I will definitely take your advice on the larger oil filter as well! How can i tell if that CH25 is a nikisil lined block? Can you rehone them? Or does the nikisl chip like on chainsaw cylinders?
 
Do you have any reccomendations for the jackshaft, cutter head bearings? Im also having trouble setting the right belt tension it seems. The owners manual reccomendations are slightly confusing to me and there are no videos on youtube to use as reference! I will definitely take your advice on the larger oil filter as well! How can i tell if that CH25 is a nikisil lined block? Can you rehone them? Or does the nikisl chip like on chainsaw cylinders?
For the bearings, DO NOT skimp on bearing quality. Get the original style bearings (Dodge if I remember right). Drop the coin and get the best bearings money can buy. Been there, done that. The China, Taiwan, etc bearings do not hold up. Like not even half the life of the Dodge bearings, and it's a lotta damn work to replace them and line everything up again.

Which brings me to the next thing... That toothed belt is REALLY expensive. Pulley alignment is critical to making it last. Get (or make) a good straight-edge to help with this. I used a section of shaft from a commercial trimmer cut down to about three feet long. Use this to lay on the outer edges of the pulleys to reference one to the other. Get the cutter shaft set in place and square with the frame, then torque the bolts down. Then, remove each bearing collar setscrew one at a time, use a drill bit that barely fits the hole, drill a DEEP divot (1/8" ish) in the cutter shaft for the setscrew to seat itself into, and re-install the set screw with BLUE loctite and tighten. NOT RED (learn from my mistakes). Repeat for the other three setscrews on the cutter shaft. All further adjustments are done at the jackshaft. Use your straight edge to line the pulleys up so that both are on the same plane, and the jackshaft is absolutely parallel with the cutter shaft. And I mean dead nuts parallel. Use shims under the jackshaft pillow blocks if need be (this would be unusual, but always a possibility). Leave the jackshaft bearing collar setscrews loose while sorting this out. Once you're happy with how everything is lined up, snug the setscrews down to hold everything in place and repeat the drill each hole one at a time just like with the cutter shaft. If I were starting with all new pulleys, bearings, etc, I would get everything lined up before installing the toothed belt, mark the taper hub location on the shaft, then remove one pulley and install the belt. Then use the jacking screws on either side of the bearing to adjust the tension. Take care to move each bearing the same distance by counting "flats" on the jacking screw. This will maintain your shaft alignment. Your belt should NOT be tight. You should be able to easily deflect it back and forth. You actually want it to run "loose" but not "floppy" if that makes sense. Think of it as a rubber chain. You don't want it tensioned like a normal belt, just barely snug (for a new belt). Once broken in, it will feel kind of loose. Only re-adjust if it's flopping around a lot when running. Even then, adjust it to take the "floppy" out of it and no more. If the teeth are skipping, your pulleys are worn out. Over tight belts trap dirt and wear pulleys out faster. If your pulley teeth have an "edge" then you need new pulleys. Don't put a new $250(probably more today) belt on worn out pulleys. They will eat the belt and you'll be right back in there in less than 100 hours. A well cared for belt should last hundreds of hours. Pull that cover off every day you work the machine and clean the dirt out. Grease the HELL out of the bearings every time you use it. Pump new grease in until you see clean grease coming out. Flush out that dirt. Those bearings ain't cheap. Grease is.

The engine electric PTO to jackshaft belt from Rayco was a double v-belt. It, too, was somewhat pricey and sensitive to alignment issues. Also subject to shredding and grip issues if the PTO clutch pulley was worn down.

Don't use it. Use a pair of regular industrial v-belts. The size should be either an A69 or A70 depending on when it was made. These are fairly cheap and also provide you a "weak link". If you hang/overload the cutter wheel, you're less likely to break stuff if you just smoke $20 worth of cheap belts. Keep an extra pair on the truck just in case. If you have slipping problems (and with that CH750 you might), try using AX70 belts. They are "slab sided" instead of wrapped and grip the pulleys better.

The nikasil lined Kohlers were fairly easy to spot. Use a magnet. If the liner is cast iron, it'll stick hard. Nikasil won't stick. Nikasil engines were easy to rebuild. Run a dingleberry hone thru it a few passes and clean it up. New pistons. Done. The cylinders mostly didn't wear unless there was dirt injestion. With that little dome filter on yours, it's a real possibility. They did a horrible job even when well maintained. That filter setup was fine for mowers, but not stump grinders. I once picked up a used nikasil engine from a guy who repowered his 1625. Had that dome filter on it and it was never changed. Cylinders were trashed. The plating had worn through to the aluminum in a couple spots. Block was scrap.

I don't imagine there's many of them out there now. Once they stopped making them, all replacement engines and shortblocks were cast iron. I worked at the saw shop for about 6 years maintaining those stump grinders and I can tell you that when I went to boot camp in 2007 those nikasil blocks were getting hard to find and I was always on the lookout for them.

Hope this wall-o-text makes sense.
 
It definitely does it seems i overtightened my drive belt for sure. I despise the asjuatmenr system on the jackshaft bearings. There is no way to be sure that the shaft stays square when you adjust it because your adjust one side and not in the center. Really a hairbrained design by rayco. As others have said on this forum the anemic pillow block bearing is a shortcut on raycos part. Some sealed tapered roller bearings would be far more durable and of course their design prevents that kind of improvment or alteration.
 
It definitely does it seems i overtightened my drive belt for sure. I despise the asjuatmenr system on the jackshaft bearings. There is no way to be sure that the shaft stays square when you adjust it because your adjust one side and not in the center. Really a hairbrained design by rayco. As others have said on this forum the anemic pillow block bearing is a shortcut on raycos part. Some sealed tapered roller bearings would be far more durable and of course their design prevents that kind of improvment or alteration.
Yeah I wasn't a fan of the Rayco design. The Carltons were a step better. They used pillow blocks, but they were Link-Belt tapered roller bearings. When they developed a little slop in them, there was an adjustment ring you could tighten up with a spanner wrench after loosening some tiny set screws. You could generally squeeze a couple hundred more hours out of them by doing that. The shaft alignment worked the same though. There were/are better designs out there, but you will pay big $$$$ for them. Vermeer offered one that was shaft driven with a right angle gearbox. It was vastly more expensive from what I remember.
 
Hate energize my old thread but does anyone have a line on the parts i need to make my grinder a dually? I need the two rims, two tires and whatever hardware i need to attatch them. I would love to have more traction and possibly better stability. Local dealer wants $700 dollars for them and thats insane. Anyone have an old rayco and wanna sell the dually kit?
 
I retrofitted a Zongshen 1000cc to my 1625, (Jonno and Johno Delacombe Victoria), which is either 31hp or 33hp, they can't make up their mind. Had to elongate one set of mounting slots and cut a new set, and turn 5mm off the face of the hydraulic pump pulley on the pto, otherwise a perfect replacement fit for the Kohler 25hp and the Ogura clutch. AUD$2600 which is about a third the price of Kohler or Vanguard of comparable size. You can get them out of China for USD$800 odd plus freight. It's only been running for 40-50 hours but no problems so far. The A belts sometimes squeal but haven't broken yet. Clutch is well over-rated and handles the 33hp no worries. Shredded a tooth belt but that was on me; a cutter wheel bearing collapsed and I didn't notice in time, and I was too lazy to change it when I did its mate since it meant removing the cutting wheel. Laziness is its own punishment. Motor starts beautifully no matter the temperature and runs well. Never gone above half power and it doesn't seem to use much petrol and no oil (of course). It's pushing the 1625 to the limit of its capabilities and weight and the hardness of the stumps around here. Ironbark! Never a truer word. Gum trees that are like steel and the mythical Buloke tree which I hope to never meet professionally. Look it up!
 
Further to the Zonghen 1000cc upgrade. Shredded another tooth belt today on a pair of gum tree stumps. Jeez they're hard. Belt was a Bando, top quality, perfectly aligned on new pulleys and only 25 hours old. Tensioned per spec which is 6mm on 9kg force. Despite what the other bloke said this is NOT just snug, it's really quite twangy. But that's what both Rayco and Bando recommend. Belts that are floppy just rip teeth off and break. At least around here. The trees are that hard that you really have to push in or you won't get anywhere. Lots of stalling and leaping about like Linda Blair in the Exorcist! Going down to Melbourne tomorrow to get some triple gang SPB or XPB cogged Vbelts and pulleys and see whether I can get a better life out of them. Leave em loose(ish) and let em squeal; the triple A belts have been squealing under load for a year and don't look any the worse for wear. May put a tensioner on as a safety valve if they don't squeal.
Just as an aside for anyone repowering with a motor that has a vacuum impulse fuel pump. They can't lift fuel from where the 1625s have their tank, they're only good for about 450mm lift and the tank is 700mm down. Lots of fuel starvation and stalling. Solved by putting an auxilliary tank up high while I source a very low pressure electric pump, ( 1-2 psi no more ). The pumps off Kawasaki Mules are just right. The original Kohler had a mechanical pump inside the rocker cover which could lift the 700mm from the tank.
 
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