Religion in the woods

[2dogs]

Evolution, creation and fossils- I'm going to wait to reply to that one but I have thought quite a bit about the subject trying to figure out how it all works together

Well I know this good old boy named HBRN, he's a pastor. Fact is I was jest reading some of his words in post #15 down in the women pastors thread in the off topic forum. Now I reckon he's as close to god as anyone, knows all his secret stuff prolly on a first name basis with him. Now we all know HBRN always speaks the plain truth about things so's how bout we invite him up to learn us all something. Now one thing I do know about HBRN is that he has a good attitude. He shows it by taking all my good natured ribbing and turning right around and addressing my posts. Point by point.

HBRN ya listening? Come on in, the posting is fine.

 

[bitzer]

Well 2Dogs I just noticed you've got me quoted a little in your sig line. I feel honored. I'm glad that the few on here can gather around the fire of common sense and warm ourselves! Funny stuff you posted right there too. Just amazing to me how the guy just keeps coming back like nothing ever happened.


Hammer- my kids go to a fairly progressive parochial school. My oldest daughter is very inquisitive and listens well. She also retains it all too. I taught her all about evolution and she told me what they had said about it in school. A little off for my liking, but whatever. When my daughter was 6 or 7 she brought in an acticle relating to the evolution of aquatic mammals (killer whales specifically). There is evidence that they evolved from a wolf like creature in an increasingly aquatic habitat and eventually made their way to full time swimming status. Her teacher told her, "no the animals came from the sea and crawled onto land, not the other way around." I guess I should be happy they mention the word evolution at all.

 

[slowp]

Here's some religion in the woods.

It was back in da days of da big wood. It was also fire season, and a hot day. The fire truck was not on the sale. So, the yarder engineer was told to shut it down. He blows the whistle for quitting, then hollers down the hill, "Praise the Lord boys, we're shut down. Let's go fishing!"

Unfortunately, the fire truck miraculously appeared and they had to go back to work. :msp_sad:

 

[hammerlogging]

I would like to b there when the Mormons knock on your door!

I'd like you to be there too. Last time i was visited I wasn't there, but I was living in a little old unabomber shack at the end of the road and there was a hot chick and a number of other things that probably raised the other eyebrow there on the front porch

 

[tramp bushler]

Every man has his own opinions about God and who He is and what He thinks. Where, do you suppose, do we find out any truth about this God we're talking about. Or, do we just go on in life listening to each others opinions and taking what we think should work or what we'd like to believe about God? There has to be an answer.

..The Bible . ................I find it much easier to have faith in The God of The Holy Bible than any other philosiphy or religion out there . And alot easier than the big bang theory . .. Since I believe it I feel compelled to obey it , and to learn it ... . In point of fact my life has been spared by Him so many times and He has caused so much good in my life it would be flat wrong of me to disbelieve what He says ...

 

[GRTimberCO]

Oh yeah, I said I would offer my thoughts on the evolution etc. and religion.

DISCLAIMER: Not one dime of this will hold up in a seminary class and will probably get you stoned in the parking lot of a Freewill Baptist Church so process accordingly.

Much of professional religion has put itself in competition with science and I think foolishly. What is science, after all, if not the study of God's handiwork? To look around and deny that species of plants and animals are evolving and mutating in order to thrive in new and changing environments is to willfully put your hands over your eyes and cry out “since I can’t see it, therefor it’s must not be false”. Did Jesus himself not say “the truth shall set you free”? In Conway and Aynor, SC, towns that are 20 and 40 miles inland from the coast, well drillers frequently bring up the black fossils of sharks teeth from 30-40 feet down. That beach-line hasn’t moved more than a few dozen feet in the 500 years since our ancestors hit looking for gold, etc. To say it has moved 50-60 miles in 5000 years is… a huge stretch at best. Remember Galileo was thrown out of the Catholic Church and called a heretic. He was a tool of the devil because he suggested that the earth was round instead of flat as bible scholars interpreted (it doesn’t say that). I believe the church may have come around to Galileo’s way of thinking by now.

In my opinion and the opinion of plenty of folks who study this world professionally, there is just way too much evidence to suggest that the earth can only be around 5000 years old because that’s how long ago Adam and Eve supposedly lived. So in my limited thinking there are only a couple options here- 1. God, in creating the earth 5000 years ago, intentionally planted evidence to make the earth look older or 2. This place is a lot older than the professionally religious are allowing themselves to believe. One of the things that the bible clearly says that God cannot do is to lie and deceive. That I do firmly believe. So that eliminates possibility #1 for me and leaves the fault of man for the conflict. Do I think that the creation story in Genesis, word for word, is how God built this earth and everything on it? Not really. I believe God created the earth and everything on it and used what we call evolution as part of the motion. I don’t know if Adam or Eve ever existed or not. To me it doesn’t really matter. I’m not going to heaven because of anything that Adam did. What I’m putting my faith in is a relationship with God through the bloody sacrifice of His son Jesus Christ. That is real and that I don’t even have to go through mental contortions to put my faith in. It’s easy to believe in someone you converse with daily. The rest is just things to ponder until the day comes when all things will be revealed.